Sony KD49XG9005

Pebbleridge

Active Member
Hi Guys,

Been back into John Lewis to play with a KD49XG9005 again.

On Freeview channel 85 (Hochanda) the TV gives a crap picture and the Text Boxes for the products on sale are all blurry.

We have decided not to buy a new TV yet, we are going to stick with our very old Panasonic Plasma TV as none of the 4K tvs we have looked at, can show standard definition properly.

If anyone has a 4K TV that will pass the Hochanda test, I would be delighted to hear from you.

Some may say channel 85 is not the way to judge a TV, but my wife is a mad crafting fan, so it is important to us.

Regards,

Paul
 

F35lightning

Standard Member
Hi I have just purchased the DGXG9005 and the picture is stunning on HD let alone 4k, played a film and again stunning picture quality and that again was only in hd best TV I have ever owned and the motion for sports is great no blur
 

Pebbleridge

Active Member
Hi I have just purchased the DGXG9005 and the picture is stunning on HD let alone 4k, played a film and again stunning picture quality and that again was only in hd best TV I have ever owned and the motion for sports is great no blur
Hi, I bet it's not very good on Freeview channel 85 :)
 

F35lightning

Standard Member
Hi to be fair does not matter if you own the best tv in the world freeview will always look awful, the channel looks perfect on sky Q
 

Mallett94

Well-known Member
Hi to be fair does not matter if you own the best tv in the world freeview will always look awful, the channel looks perfect on sky Q though on the KDXG9005
Freeview HD channels actually look great. Standard definition channels via any platform are going to look not great. I would argue that the upscaling capability of this TV in question is far superior to the upscaling capability of the Sky Q box.

If the exact same Hochanda standard definition channel which @Pebbleridge has been mentioning does look better via sky than freeview, it will because of differing encoding/compression/bit rate.

The sweeping statement "freeview will always look awful" is just wrong.

@Pebbleridge I'm sure if you tweaked with the TV settings you would be able to get the channel looking semi decent. Just keep in mind that increasing screen size, increasing pixel count (and therefore having to create a lot more pixels via upscaling) and maintaining the same viewing distance, is going to mean that SD channels are NOT going to look as good as your current TV. If you want a newer TV but explicitly want SD channels to look as good as on your current screen then you likely want to buy a TV of a very similar size but one that is 'just' full HD.

Out of interest what picture settings did you try when viewing the channel in store?
 

F35lightning

Standard Member
Hi just wanted to add had sky Q installed today and when he did the settings on the box the TV XG9005 it is definitely a 10 bit model as settings on sky Q box accepted it. Just wanted to let you know as I know some people thought it was a 8 bit
 

plata0190

Standard Member
I bought a Loewe 3.43 last year, that's a premium brand in EU as B&O for US market. Its panel is produced from LG, and I was impressed by its scaler and overal image quality, way more great than 43XF8596 where gonna create a lot of artifacts, like horizontal lines, mostly visible surrounding broadcaster logos. Furthermore the panel wasn't as good as the Loewe one (IPS vs VN), and colours were too saturated or vivid, mostly on reds.

I was able to compare in person the 43XF8596 with the higher series 49XF9005. It offered much more natural in all aspects, i.e. colours were completly washed out in comparison: 44 to 72 of cursor setting to match the same level, that's for give you a rough idea to how bad and oversaturated the XF8596 was. So 49XF9005 brought up more details, better contrast and the scaler was a little bit better, considering the increase panel dimension (>6").

I want just to specify a personal consideration: if the scaler is a good quality one, the overall SD image will be better despite the screen size, because bigger the panel size is, more artefacts quantity are showed. That doesn't mean how those artifacts are displayed in reality, and what's the overall video result, because artefacts have some shape, as square, triangles, or linees, or may be emphasized.

About the colour bit depth, I am sure that 49XG9005 mounts a 8bit+FRC, as stated on DisplaySpecification, and declared by Sony as a 10bit panel, missing to specify it's a virtual 10bit and not a native 10bit one like XF series. What you think guys?
 
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LCDseeker

Well-known Member
Hi Guys,

Been back into John Lewis to play with a KD49XG9005 again.

On Freeview channel 85 (Hochanda) the TV gives a crap picture and the Text Boxes for the products on sale are all blurry.

We have decided not to buy a new TV yet, we are going to stick with our very old Panasonic Plasma TV as none of the 4K tvs we have looked at, can show standard definition properly.

If anyone has a 4K TV that will pass the Hochanda test, I would be delighted to hear from you.

Some may say channel 85 is not the way to judge a TV, but my wife is a mad crafting fan, so it is important to us.

Regards,

Paul
I checked this channel for you on my XF9005 a while back and it was perfectly watchable although this was through my sky Q box but I have to say this channel has an absolutely awful picture quality. Just get Sky Q and then you can enjoy some quality images and your wife can watch her channel.
 

Pebbleridge

Active Member
Out of interest what picture settings did you try when viewing the channel in store?
I didn't get much opportunity to play with settings, but I was able to change the mode away from Vivid and reduced the Colour and Brightness but it didn't make much improvement.

We are not expecting perfection, because we know Hochanda is a poor quality transmission, but we cannot accept that by buying a 4K, relatively expensive, TV the SD images are worse than we are used to.

Regards,

Paul
 

Pebbleridge

Active Member
Anyway, the source quality of this channel on my XF9005 55" is possibly the worst I've seen in the last few years but on a positive for your wife and you, the product boxes are clearly visible and the XG is as good if not better than the XF.
Hi LCD Seeker,

I'm beginning to realise that Hochanda on Satellite may be better quality than the Freeview signals I have been watching in John Lewis, the Product boxes on Freeview are "visible" but I wouldn't describe them as clear.

Would a Sky HD box be as good as Sky Q? (on SD channels.)

Regards,

Paul
 

Raven8

Novice Member
The “Hochanda test” the new television benchmark! Better than dolby vision and hdr10+ combined x5!!!

Will your new tv pass the real test? Please dont try this at home unless you own an oled.... (Or maybe a panasonic plasma)

Disclaimer: the Hochanda test denies any responsability for the huge rate of returned tvs in 2019.
 

Mallett94

Well-known Member
I didn't get much opportunity to play with settings, but I was able to change the mode away from Vivid and reduced the Colour and Brightness but it didn't make much improvement.

We are not expecting perfection, because we know Hochanda is a poor quality transmission, but we cannot accept that by buying a 4K, relatively expensive, TV the SD images are worse than we are used to.

Regards,

Paul
I've literally just banged on channel 85 on my 55XF90 for a few mins, and the quality of the channel was better than what BBC One SD is. All the text was very readable and you could clearly see the products and the people talking and chatting and using the products.

I think you would be more than fine with the 49XG9005.

I definitely wouldn't recommend paying out for a paytv service to maybe get a slightly better picture for one channel.

Also I do think that being able to completely change the advanced picture settings can help improve the image.

Be aware that all decent TVs these days are 4K, and so you're always going to have the issue of having to upscale SD to 4K. Sony have best in class consumer upscaling in their TVs and if you don't think it's up to the job, then you're probably never going to get a new TV!

If you want I can attach images/video of channel 85 on my TV.

Cheers.
 

plata0190

Standard Member
Until broadcasters transmit in SD, the scaler quality must to be at the top, without regressing. Infact still nowadays, a lot of sources aren't just in 4K resolution, but still in SD, like online or radioantenna broadcasters.

If SD quality is poor in today TVs, it's due to marketing, to invite customers moving to 4K resolution. That's meaning that brands or online/radio broadcasters obligates people to pay for their servises as MUVI, Infinity, Netflix, Sky Q.

Imo, marketing aside, the scaler quality have to be improved hand in hand, considering also the greater experience in that field.
@Mallett94: some pics would be appreciated
 
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LCDseeker

Well-known Member
Hi LCD Seeker,

I'm beginning to realise that Hochanda on Satellite may be better quality than the Freeview signals I have been watching in John Lewis, the Product boxes on Freeview are "visible" but I wouldn't describe them as clear.

Would a Sky HD box be as good as Sky Q? (on SD channels.)

Regards,

Paul
No I doubt it. sky Q just gives you UHD (so long as you pay for it) and other user features such as the ability to record 4 channels at once, a huge recording memory etc etc. It will be just as watchable on a sky HD box. As Mallet says the XG will produce a perfectly watchable image. Wait for Black Friday and treat yourself.
 

Mallett94

Well-known Member
Until broadcasters transmit in SD, the scaler quality must to be at the top, without regressing. Infact still nowadays, a lot of sources aren't just in 4K resolution, but still in SD, like online or radioantenna broadcasters.

If SD quality is poor in today TVs, it's due to marketing, to invite customers moving to 4K resolution. That's meaning that brands or online/radio broadcasters obligates people to pay for their servises as MUVI, Infinity, Netflix, Sky Q.

Imo, marketing aside, the scaler quality have to be improved hand in hand, considering also the greater experience in that field.
@Mallett94: some pics would be appreciated
See attached several photos of the Hochanda channel from both my seating position (2.5-3 metres away), and also up close in front of the TV. I think you'll all agree the image looks perfectly fine.
 

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plata0190

Standard Member
@Mallett94 Is it sourced from its DVB or from from an external decoder? The scaler seems good, even if is the Oneplus 7 that creates a pastel effect.

Contrast is a bit enhanced, but the thing I dont like most are colours like Reds: too much vivid. What contrast and colour setting are you using, and colour enhancer is set to on?
 

Harry1986

Active Member
Hi well my 49xg9005 Is due to come tomorrow replacing my faulty 49xf9005 I really hope its a good set....finger's crossed otherwise might have to get the LG c9 lol
 

Mallett94

Well-known Member
@Mallett94 Is it sourced from its DVB or from from an external decoder? The scaler seems good, even if is the Oneplus 7 that creates a pastel effect.

Contrast is a bit enhanced, but the thing I dont like most are colours like Reds: too much vivid. What contrast and colour setting are you using, and colour enhancer is set to on?
That's channel 85 on the built in tuner Freeview.

The picture settings for these photos were my Cinema Home SDR settings which can be seen at the link in my signature. No I have no colour enhancer or any settings like that for regular SDR content.

The One Plus 7 Pro camera did take the photos as HDR to be fair.
 

Harry1986

Active Member
Hi LCDseeker my replacement xg came from Sony can't see any faults this time. Overall its pretty much the same as the xf9005 but the actual upscaling or processing of the tv picture (v6 tivo!) doesn't seem as sharp as the xf9005. Only had since Tuesday so will need to mess with the settings abit. The sound is abit weaker too.
 

Mallett94

Well-known Member
Hi LCDseeker my replacement xg came from Sony can't see any faults this time. Overall its pretty much the same as the xf9005 but the actual upscaling or processing of the tv picture (v6 tivo!) doesn't seem as sharp as the xf9005. Only had since Tuesday so will need to mess with the settings abit. The sound is abit weaker too.
Fyi, the Virgin V6 box wants very explicit settings in the picture output options to achieve the best picture. You want to have checkboxes next to:
2160p
2160p passthrough (all Hz)
1080p passthrough (all Hz)
1080i
576i

If you setup the box like this then the following behaviour will occur in the V6 box;
For SD channels the picture will be output natively at 576i for the TV to deinterlace and upscale.
For HD channels the picture will be output natively at 1080i for the TV to deinterlace and upscale.
For the 2 4K channels available on Virgin (if you have them) the picture will be output natively at 2160p.
For any 1080p or 2160p content through any of the apps on the V6 box e.g. Netflix, YouTube etc, the picture will be output natively for the TV to upscale.

The only caveat here is that iPlayer through the V6, which maxes at 720p 50fps, will be upscaled to either 1080p or 2160p by the V6 box before being output. However I would highly recommend using the built in iPlayer app on the actual Android TV OS.

Your TV is pretty much the sameish as the 49XF90, therefore if you use @LCDseeker or @007L2Kill or my own settings (link in my signature) as a baseline, you can then tweak from there and hopefully achieve something you're happy with :)

Cheers.
 

Harry1986

Active Member
Fyi, the Virgin V6 box wants very explicit settings in the picture output options to achieve the best picture. You want to have checkboxes next to:
2160p
2160p passthrough (all Hz)
1080p passthrough (all Hz)
1080i
576i

If you setup the box like this then the following behaviour will occur in the V6 box;
For SD channels the picture will be output natively at 576i for the TV to deinterlace and upscale.
For HD channels the picture will be output natively at 1080i for the TV to deinterlace and upscale.
For the 2 4K channels available on Virgin (if you have them) the picture will be output natively at 2160p.
For any 1080p or 2160p content through any of the apps on the V6 box e.g. Netflix, YouTube etc, the picture will be output natively for the TV to upscale.

The only caveat here is that iPlayer through the V6, which maxes at 720p 50fps, will be upscaled to either 1080p or 2160p by the V6 box before being output. However I would highly recommend using the built in iPlayer app on the actual Android TV OS.

Your TV is pretty much the sameish as the 49XF90, therefore if you use @LCDseeker or @007L2Kill or my own settings (link in my signature) as a baseline, you can then tweak from there and hopefully achieve something you're happy with :)

Cheers.
Hi mallet94 thanks for the advice I've just tried what you posted and it has helped thanks. Just need to get the right brightness Im still on android 7.0 shall I update? One thing thye have done is dimmed the menu it's in grey font will take sometime to get use too.. Its bit odd lol
 

Mallett94

Well-known Member
Hi mallet94 thanks for the advice I've just tried what you posted and it has helped thanks. Just need to get the right brightness Im still on android 7.0 shall I update? One thing thye have done is dimmed the menu it's in grey font will take sometime to get use too.. Its bit odd lol
No problem. Would definitely recommend upgrading to Android TV 8.0

Do you mean brightness for SDR content?
 

Mallett94

Well-known Member
Yeah brightness for sdr at moment have it at 17.
And in Motionflow you have custom with Clearness on 1?

Now as has been said many times, my settings are just what I have arrived at over time, but more recently after a fresh calibration following the Android TV 8 upgrade. You may want to tweak the SDR brightness up or down slightly based on your environment/preferences. Only thing I would say is you really don't want brightness to be much more than 20-25 max for SDR otherwise you will be spoiling the image in a sense and will also be underwhelmed by HDR!
 

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