Sony KD XF9005 Owners and Discussion Thread

LCDseeker

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Will have a look pretty sure I got the setting off here 😩😂🙈
I use custom setting but from memory my settings are as follows.

Brightness 25
Auto picture mode off

Contrast 93
Gamma -1
Black level 49
Black adjust medium
Contrast enhancer medium
Dimming High
Dynamic range medium

Colour 55
colour temp warm
live colour low or medium
Reality creation manual Sharpness 50 resolution 70
Everything off apart from smooth gradation which I have at medium or high
Custom motionflow
Smoothness 2
Clearness 1
Flim mode high
 
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Razer08

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Quick question: when there is specular highlights, is it bright enough to make you squint or look away briefly or can you look at it head on without squinting.

Asking this because my results are very interesting and I'll need further clarification with the use of HCFR (from @007L2Kill ) before I publish my graphs and data.
 

jedifozzie

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I use custom setting but from memory my settings are as follows.

Brightness 25
Auto picture mode off

Contrast 93
Gamma -1
Black level 49
Black adjust medium
Contrast enhancer medium
Dimming High
Dynamic range medium

Colour 55
colour temp warm
live colour low or medium
Reality creation manual Sharpness 50 resolution 70
Everything off apart from smooth gradation which I have at medium or high
Custom motionflow
Smoothness 2
Clearness 1
Flim mode high
Thanks for the info


Will give these settings ago after I factory reset at the weekend, a reset sorts can’t ar**d with going through repair
 

Mallett94

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Quick question: when there is specular highlights, is it bright enough to make you squint or look away briefly or can you look at it head on without squinting.

Asking this because my results are very interesting and I'll need further clarification with the use of HCFR (from @007L2Kill ) before I publish my graphs and data.
I have never once had to squint or look away from the screen for anything.

The biggest thing I had to adjust to was playing games like FIFA and CoD when I first got the TV with the original PS4 and HDR was enabled. Having the backlight constantly at max for HDR games took a few days to get used to for my eyes, but since then it's been fine.

If anyone is interested, the latest system software for PS4 makes you set some HDR calibration setting on a system wide level which should improve HDR performance of some games, but also video apps like Netflix and Prime going forwards. I would still always check the in game HDR calibration settings as well though.

So yeah Razer don't expect to be literally almost blinded by specular highlights, that's not what I and I think most other people have experienced.

Cheers.
 

LCDseeker

Well-known Member
Thanks for the info


Will give these settings ago after I factory reset at the weekend, a reset sorts can’t ar**d with going through repair
I don't say my settings are the ones anyone should use, but I like them. Every panel, room and eye is different. Hope you don't need a repair.
 

LCDseeker

Well-known Member
Quick question: when there is specular highlights, is it bright enough to make you squint or look away briefly or can you look at it head on without squinting.

Asking this because my results are very interesting and I'll need further clarification with the use of HCFR (from @007L2Kill ) before I publish my graphs and data.
When I first got a set like this I had to turn the brightness down but I've never had to squint or look away. I'm now use to how these sets perform.
 

Razer08

Active Member
In that case then my expectation was too high, I forgot who said that but you were spot on. Got it in my head that high peak brightness is like looking at a car's headlights head on, but the reality is that I can look head on at ~1m and not react at all.

Tried 10% and 5% windows and clocked in around 950 and 1050 nits respectively.

I feel really dumb as to my complaining as my understanding of peak brightness was flawed. Now that I got a good sense of what a high peak brightness is I'm more appreciative of this display.

I also feel deeply embarrassed that I've been ranting about a non-issue all this time and how that came across. This was a big learning experience and one that I'm glad I made, no matter how much I want to duck and run for the hills 🤣🤣.
 
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Mallett94

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In that case then my expectation was too high, I forgot who said that but you were spot on. Got it in my head that high peak brightness is like looking at a car's headlights head on, but the reality is that I can look head on at ~1m and not react at all.

Tried 10% and 5% windows and clocked in around 950 and 1050 nits respectively.

I feel really dumb as to my complaining as my understanding of peak brightness was flawed. Now that I got a good sense of what a high peak brightness is I'm more appreciative of this display.

I also feel deeply embarrassed that I've been ranting about a non-issue all this time and how that came across. This was a big learning experience and one that I'm glad I made, no matter how much I want to duck and run for the hills 🤣🤣.
@Razer08 I think @Kenny Culver could learn a thing or two from you fella!

Now time to settle back and start picking out what you think are good implementations of HDR content and perhaps now that you're satisfied with HDR performing properly on the set, you could do some analysis as to how you feel the difference is between SDR and HDR content. i.e. now is time for the real fun and appreciation to begin.

Do you game at all?
 

LCDseeker

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In that case then my expectation was too high, I forgot who said that but you were spot on. Got it in my head that high peak brightness is like looking at a car's headlights head on, but the reality is that I can look head on at ~1m and not react at all.

Tried 10% and 5% windows and clocked in around 950 and 1050 nits respectively.

I feel really dumb as to my complaining as my understanding of peak brightness was flawed. Now that I got a good sense of what a high peak brightness is I'm more appreciative of this display.

I also feel deeply embarrassed that I've been ranting about a non-issue all this time and how that came across. This was a big learning experience and one that I'm glad I made, no matter how much I want to duck and run for the hills 🤣🤣.
Everything in life is a learning curve. I'm just glad your set is a good one and is pumping out the required nits! I do think the main issue for our sets is that very little content is available that can truly show what they are capable of. Maybe in time this will improve but there is still embarrassingly little good HDR/UHD content for us to watch and even UHD movies are still ridiculously expensive.
 

Razer08

Active Member
@Razer08 I think @Kenny Culver could learn a thing or two from you fella!

Now time to settle back and start picking out what you think are good implementations of HDR content and perhaps now that you're satisfied with HDR performing properly on the set, you could do some analysis as to how you feel the difference is between SDR and HDR content. i.e. now is time for the real fun and appreciation to begin.

Do you game at all?
I've gotten the grayscale, contrast and colour all measured for sdr. I just need to figure out how to calibrate. My ansi contrast ratio was ~5000:1 for starters.

I own an xbox one s so I play and watch a ton of HDR content.
 

Mallett94

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I've gotten the grayscale, contrast and colour all measured for sdr. I just need to figure out how to calibrate. My ansi contrast ratio was ~5000:1 for starters.

I own an xbox one s so I play and watch a ton of HDR content.
@Razer08 I meant to do this myself at the weekend but didn't get around to it... Try downloading some of these 4K HDR (some 60fps) demo videos from here => 60 FPS UHD 4K Demos | 4K Media

Apparently the Sony Swordsmith one is incredible and I'd expect the Red Bull ones probably look good as well.

Let me know if you get around to it before me what you think they look like?

What SDR and HDR settings have you settled on out of interest?

@Trum How is it going for you with your new TV? I know you said you were going to try and adjust to more 'calibrated-esque' type settings. What are your thoughts after a week or so?
 

TwoJs

Distinguished Member
The difference is only slight so depends on your budget really. Whatever you decide I'd personally wait until Black Friday and get a bargain.
I want the 55XF9005 and it's currently down to £949 (I didn't go with the Costco deal for a few reasons) do you think there is a good chance, it will drop a couple of hundred on Black Friday weekend ?
 

Mrhappy37

Active Member
I want the 55XF9005 and it's currently down to £949 (I didn't go with the Costco deal for a few reasons) do you think there is a good chance, it will drop a couple of hundred on Black Friday weekend ?
I very much doubt it but you never know. I would guess that it will drop to around £850 at richersounds which would be the cheapest they have sold it so far. Also bear in mind that these are discontinued so stock could disappear and you may not get one if you wait too long.
 

TwoJs

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I very much doubt it but you never know. I would guess that it will drop to around £850 at richersounds which would be the cheapest they have sold it so far. Also bear in mind that these are discontinued so stock could disappear and you may not get one if you wait too long.
Yeah it's a gamble as it's still a month and a half away, if it was only to drop about £100 from today's price, it's not a massive incentive.
 

Mallett94

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Yeah it's a gamble as it's still a month and a half away, if it was only to drop about £100 from today's price, it's not a massive incentive.
Would be interesting to see what price the XG9505 drops to on Black Friday too.
 
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Razer08

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@Razer08 I meant to do this myself at the weekend but didn't get around to it... Try downloading some of these 4K HDR (some 60fps) demo videos from here => 60 FPS UHD 4K Demos | 4K Media

Apparently the Sony Swordsmith one is incredible and I'd expect the Red Bull ones probably look good as well.

Let me know if you get around to it before me what you think they look like?

What SDR and HDR settings have you settled on out of interest?

@Trum How is it going for you with your new TV? I know you said you were going to try and adjust to more 'calibrated-esque' type settings. What are your thoughts after a week or so?
I used to have a whole tranche of demos but this TV is very picky on which ones it would play. I have tested the swordsmith demo and it's pretty. The deep blacks with the small burning mallet is amazing.

I have some Dolby vision demos too and a few lg 4k sdr ones of which the eclipse one is a personal favourite. Will have to plead with the TV to let some of the Samsung demos to work.

With regards to settings they closely resemble yours but where you have some values 1/2 clicks higher than the default, I've left it at the default.

I just need to figure out how to calibrate the grayscale then that would fix the colour tracking too.
 

Morden

Active Member
Everything in life is a learning curve. I'm just glad your set is a good one and is pumping out the required nits! I do think the main issue for our sets is that very little content is available that can truly show what they are capable of. Maybe in time this will improve but there is still embarrassingly little good HDR/UHD content for us to watch and even UHD movies are still ridiculously expensive.
Hmv have the odd bargain, I picked up a few for £9.99 there. Alien, spiderman homecoming are still at that price with any other purchase.
But yes new releases are still expensive, I tend to wait for 2 for £30 if I can.
Though some like appocalyse now are must buys for me on release.
 

Razer08

Active Member
Been doing white point calibration and the lack of CMS (colour management system) was concerning but then I remembered that if you get the grayscale correct then the colour falls in line. Average delta errors were 0.63, 0.53 and 0.44 for sdr custom, hdr custom and sdr game respectively. Some sdr values were carrying over to the hdr so it became a bit finnicky. Couldn't test hdr game mode as internal video app doesn't support that mode, but sdr whitepoint carries on to hdr whitepoint to a fairly good accuracy so it isn't a bother. Only mode I can't calibrate is DV but then again I never liked it in the first place.

Been watching videos of people using Calman and compared to HCFR it is too much "hand holding". A very steep learning curve (again ha) but was well worth it. I'll use this whitepoint settings for a few days and see what is different.

Oh and a backlight setting of 3 was ~100 nits.
 

Mallett94

Well-known Member
Been doing white point calibration and the lack of CMS (colour management system) was concerning but then I remembered that if you get the grayscale correct then the colour falls in line. Average delta errors were 0.63, 0.53 and 0.44 for sdr custom, hdr custom and sdr game respectively. Some sdr values were carrying over to the hdr so it became a bit finnicky. Couldn't test hdr game mode as internal video app doesn't support that mode, but sdr whitepoint carries on to hdr whitepoint to a fairly good accuracy so it isn't a bother. Only mode I can't calibrate is DV but then again I never liked it in the first place.

Been watching videos of people using Calman and compared to HCFR it is too much "hand holding". A very steep learning curve (again ha) but was well worth it. I'll use this whitepoint settings for a few days and see what is different.

Oh and a backlight setting of 3 was ~100 nits.
I would be interested to hear your results if you also performed calibration on Cinema Home and Cinema Pro picture modes as well?

The backlight setting of 3 for 100 nits, was that with clearness off or on 1?

Are you going to be watching SDR content at around 100/120 nits from now on, or is the brightness just a bit too low for your ambience and will need to notch it up a bit?
 

LCDseeker

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I used to have a whole tranche of demos but this TV is very picky on which ones it would play. I have tested the swordsmith demo and it's pretty. The deep blacks with the small burning mallet is amazing.

I have some Dolby vision demos too and a few lg 4k sdr ones of which the eclipse one is a personal favourite. Will have to plead with the TV to let some of the Samsung demos to work.

With regards to settings they closely resemble yours but where you have some values 1/2 clicks higher than the default, I've left it at the default.

I just need to figure out how to calibrate the grayscale then that would fix the colour tracking too.
I've got a YouTube video for you which has elements of light that are almost too bright. Search for Supervention 4k Reel (UHD). Also a good video to check white settings motion etc....plus just some pretty epic skiing/snowboarding.
 

Khankat

Active Member
@Razer08 I meant to do this myself at the weekend but didn't get around to it... Try downloading some of these 4K HDR (some 60fps) demo videos from here => 60 FPS UHD 4K Demos | 4K Media

Apparently the Sony Swordsmith one is incredible and I'd expect the Red Bull ones probably look good as well.

Let me know if you get around to it before me what you think they look like?

What SDR and HDR settings have you settled on out of interest?

@Trum How is it going for you with your new TV? I know you said you were going to try and adjust to more 'calibrated-esque' type settings. What are your thoughts after a week or so?
What do you use to play back the recordings you download, USB or external HDD?
 

Mallett94

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What do you use to play back the recordings you download, USB or external HDD?
I've not actually downloaded any yet, however when I do, possibly this evening, I will be using a USB 3.0 64GB stick.

I have a 500GB usb HDD plugged in for recording from Freeview.
 

Razer08

Active Member
I would be interested to hear your results if you also performed calibration on Cinema Home and Cinema Pro picture modes as well?

The backlight setting of 3 for 100 nits, was that with clearness off or on 1?

Are you going to be watching SDR content at around 100/120 nits from now on, or is the brightness just a bit too low for your ambience and will need to notch it up a bit?
I believe it's with clearness set to 0 but I'll double check and edit this if I'm incorrect. My viewing environment is either dimly lit or dark (due to my bias lighting strip) so I don't need the high brightness.

I'll calibrate those 2 modes as well as the custom mode was just me gaining familiarity with hcfr so it shouldn't take long.
 

Pumptruffle

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Wow, 200+ pages is a lot to go through! I’m wondering if somebody could give me a quick answer please.
I’m looking to upgrade my 6 year old, 1080p, tv. After a lot of research I’ve settled on the 65” of this model.
Main use will be PS4 Pro and Netflix.
Would you recommend this set to me? Thanks!
 

Metalex

Active Member
Everything in life is a learning curve. I'm just glad your set is a good one and is pumping out the required nits! I do think the main issue for our sets is that very little content is available that can truly show what they are capable of. Maybe in time this will improve but there is still embarrassingly little good HDR/UHD content for us to watch and even UHD movies are still ridiculously expensive.
Ever considered buying an Apple TV? There are stacks of 4K HDR films on iTunes and a lot of them are cheap.
 

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