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Sony explains new 4K projector line-up at IFA 2017

Discussion in 'Projectors, Screens & Video Processors' started by Steve Withers, Sep 4, 2017.


    1. Steve Withers

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      Steve,

      Did you find out about the lens quality on the 760 is it glass, solar to 5000 or cheaper plastic?

      Potential Dolby vision update in future is also comforting.

      Kevin
       
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      Saw this quote on another site

      I was able to speak to a projector contact at Sony locally and ask about this. It's not 100% confirmed but it's looking like its the glass lens assembly from the 1100ES. It's price point is also meant to mirror what the 1100ES's was.

      Would be good to get confirmed though.

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      Where did you find this? I have a different opinion. I have the VW1100 at home and had a look at the VW760 at IFA. The lens is smaller than in my VW1100. For me it seemed that it could be the one of the VW550, which I have seen at IFA 2016.
      So I asked somebody responsible for the Sony PJs in Germany. He didn't confirm that it is the 550 one, but he confirmed that it has the same size and quality. That means that the lens of the VW1100 still produces the sharpest picture - or you take the 5000.
       
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      Suspect we need to wait and see in reviews

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      I asked Sony about the lens and they were a bit evasive in their answer. What they would say is that the new lens is a combination of glass and plastic, so it isn't the all-glass lens used on the VW1100 and VW5000. However they did say that this new lens assembly is used on the VW260, VW360 and VW760 and that it has been improved and upgraded compared to last year's models.
       
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      three questions I have, how does that lens stack up against the competition in real life? Has degradation been resolved? What is the real measured DCI performance? Once these are answered we will know for sure if we have areal contender.

      ohh and what about posterization and banding?
       
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      Yeah looking at it in videos, the lens in that £15k model looks very small and cheap looking for the price of it. Definitely more VW550 than VW1100.

      It's clear to me (pun intended) that when they drop £50k in price from VW5000 to VW760 the first thing to go is an expensive all glass lens assembly. But even that alone can't cost more than a few grand, if it in any way similar to high quality Canon L-series lenses with multiple glass and flourite elements.
       
    9. Steve Stifler

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      I wonder if the tbc on Dolby Vision is not so much technical but licensing fees?
       
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      I could be wrong but I don't think that the fees are that high (only $2-$3 per TV). Although maybe higher for a PJ?

      There's a thread about it here:
      Dolby Vision Royalty Costs - $2-$3 per TV
       
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      Having spent years licensing trademarks and data, its likely the legal hold up rather than the cost. Christ it has taken me 6 months to tie up a free license contract once...
       
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      From what I understand Dolby Vision technology for projection will be much more complicated because for TVs the data on how the panel behaves is fixed. With projection this is a function of the projector, the screen size being projected, the screen gain, the projector zoom setting being used, etc. The technology from what I understand doesn't yet allow for those to be user-facing parameters.
       
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      The 760 has auto calibration facility, so could you supply model of screen + gain and could say a laptop connected calculate some Dolby settings. Bit like a visual room equalization. Alternatively is this a role for your screen calibrator.

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      Anyone got a dubbed version of the video? Could hardly understand a word he was saying :confused:
       
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      Hi

      Found this review of the US model vw885 just released. I think this is the equivalent of the vw760 as same specs and no vw760 on us web site. Note review only just released as subject to NDA pre CEDIA.

      Sony VPL-VW885ES 4K Home Theater Laser Projector Review - Projector Reviews


      I think he likes it, could have had a few more measurements etc as lot of comments subjective. But it is supported by some images.

      2 things I picked up were the use of the laser as a dynamic iris, resulting in near JVC black levels. Lens not that of vw5000.

      Would be good to get confirmation it is the same as vw760, if anyone knows.

      Also list US $25000, so £15000 does not look bad assuming same. Lots complaining on the US site.

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      That is a possible technical solution, but the problems are more fundamental than that.
      Dolby haven't defined what the standard would look like for projecion.
      For TV they can get away with $2-3 a unit as tens of millions of TVs will be sold with it.
      The projection market is tiny by comparison. Anything that needs a calibrator to come out is never going to fly as you've just taken a tiny market and made it microscopic.
      There are a lot of doubts whether it will ever happen for home projection.
       
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      It's nowhere near JVC levels it just does full fade to black on blank frames. His statement about black levels is all confusing it's being discussed over the pond, he says it's the best after the 5000 which actually has the weakest black levels. He has not done any measurements so this review should be considered more like a first impression IMO and yes it is the 760.
       
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      Hi

      Haven't they got it sorted for their Dolby cinemas, albeit I think with 2 projectors per screen. From memory they are sonys.

      At the start of the film they show what the image is like in a normal cinema then a Dolby cinema. Basically looked like Dolby vision to me.

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      Now we have reports from a well respected reviewer and enthusiasts comparing the Sony to the Z1 head to head. Let's just say the price difference is justified.
       
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      Can you post link.



      Kevin
       
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      Well, all this year's projectors are out... and no standard in sight yet from Dolby. We'll see when it happens. It would be nice to think it is coming soon but I'm not holding my breath :)
       
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      Dolby Vision is releasing a software version with no quality loss.
      A Sony engineer reported to someone at the show that the VW760 is capable of supporting this.

      Sonys HDR10+.
       
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      Apparently there are supposed Sony staffers saying the UPD-X800 will get DV upgrades too, which is being widely refuted elsewhere. The joy of unconfirmed rumours...

      We will see. I think it will be very unusual to see such a "sticker" feature arrive via SW update. Might happen... but thinking back I can't recall unannounced major features arriving via SW updates for almost any CE product.

      There is a big difference between something having a processor that could support some given (as yet to be decided) standard, and it actually happening.

      You could say that making such statements, while factual, might be just leaving the door open enough to keep people buying in the face of oncoming standards that might otherwise make them defer purchases.

      Anyway, will be interesting to see how things unfold.
       

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