Sony BRAVIA KD-65A1 HDR 4K OLED TV Review & Comments

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    1. Steve Withers

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      Nice Saturday morning surprise! You measured the interpolated motion resolution at 1080, so clearly there was some black frame insertion involved to get above the usual 600. Did you notice any flickering in the picture when experimenting with the Motionflow settings?
       
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      I didn't but flicker is very much dependent on the individual.
       
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      Great review Steve as always

      This TV is certainly special. I am however not sure if the flaws (hdmi, os, remote, lag, cms, ...) is acceptable at this level of price.

      The lg oled b7/c7 and potentially the pana/Philips are serious contenders.
      Stunning TV but sound/design aside, hope you planning a comparison against the lg/pana/Philips...that will be interesting.

      I will not comment on the final note aka 9. I just note that it is perhaps time to review grading system or weighting....
      Things changed and becoming impossible to differentiate on scoring.

      Finally, are you planning to review Loewe too as a more affordable bild5 oled is on approach...

      Keep well and thank you again for the excellent work you are doing
       
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      great review Steve

      its a shame that the manufacturers aren't dealing with grey just above black issue, which has rolled on for a few years now, and trying to sort out any clipping issues. this includes manufacturers inheriting the LG screens, but i would have hoped their own people would try to sort it out.

      i wonder if these tvs can be upgraded to hdmi 2.1?
       
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      My only issue with the review is the note stating most ppl won't notice banding during sports. Almost everyone who frequents this site goes out of their way to find issues like this :)

      Great tv, and version 2 or 3 will replace my xd93 in a couple of years.
       
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      "Most people" are people who don't visit sites like this.
       
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      and the people who don't visit sites likes this wont be paying £5,000 for a tv either :p
       
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      Yes, nice review Steve.

      Do you really believe the price is hefty? Both sizes are priced exactly the same as the LG E7 series and the Panasonic EZ952 series. In my eyes, that makes it competitive. I honestly thought they were going to be at least £500 more. Then you have the Panasonic 65EZ1002 & LG 65G7 @ £6999 and the 65W7 @ £7999 (and all you're paying more for with LG is styling)
       
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      You'd be surprised.

      You think B&O customers visit forums - they spend A LOT more on AV equipment.
       
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      Just because something is said to be an hefty price doesn't mean it's not worth it. The LG E7 and Panasonic EZ952 could be said to have a hefty price tag even if they are worth it.
       
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      Great review as always Steve!
      Let's hope acoustic surface trickles down across all Oleds over the years for those who don't have their own surround sound setup.
       
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      The design is, as I suspected, form over function.
      It's difficult to move, difficult to reach the connections and folding the kick stand could cause serious damage if you don't read the instructions properly.
      Because the screen sits lower than other sets, if I recline my chair, my feet will block some of the screen.
      I can't wall mount, so would need a vesa stand as suggested which makes it even more expensive.
      Why on earth dont they have another version on an XE93 type stand. I don't feel happy cobbling together a solution at this price point.
      Shame, it sounds very, very promising otherwise.
      Thanks Steve.:smashin:
       
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      Indeed a great surprise. Thanks Steve. Great review. I'll be booking you in for the calibration.
       
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      Beautiful tv steve but that remote :laugh: and only support for 4k HDR 60 on two HDMI ports o_O
       
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      Good to hear that there were no major problems with Android this time. Only 2 high bandwidth HDMI port is inexplicable but only consoles and PC needs those ports so not dealbreaker.

      How reliable the Fury upscaler+leo bodnar combo? Did you really feel this about a frame less input lag while playing on the PS4 Pro, Xbox One S or PC (whichever you have)?
      If it's indeed 29ms then it's just as good as LG

      A1 price is just ~20% more than the C7 in my country so the A1 is really tempting
       
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      Sony weaves and works it technical magic on their Oled but doesn't quite give the same meteoric impact over others as on their LCD Zd9,the accolade of best Hdr TV that comes close to Oled.
      I would chose Sony Zd9 over their Oled or a LG C6 and pocket the change.Both models judging from sales have enduring staying power as recent newer models have not made significant improvements with the higher price premium.
      LG is improving its panels yearly on lessening retention issues,better grey scale uniformity so you not going to get the perfect Oled TV this year from anyone else using them incl the A1E.To pay more and not get more is a deal breaker.
       
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      Good review, the banding would be a issue for many, but that also depends on the variances of each set and the tolerance levels on each buyer. Would have been good to see some 5% slides to show the uniformity :smashin:. Lag a bit high for some gamers although I think I could live with that as I was ok with the earlier oleds which had roughly the same input lag.

      Don't think I could live with the banding on football no matter how slight, as for me if it can be seen on football then that's a big issue.

      @SteveWithers, how would you compare the A1 vs the e6 and g6 only on picture quality, uhd and hdr and out of black responsiveness?


      A1 certainly on my radar but will wait on a price drop if I buy as 5k is bit too high for me and would wait for it to drop to 3.6k-4k for the 65".
       
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      Good review slight disapointed of the nits level on it. But intresting tv.
       
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      I would think its biggest competition starting out would be the LG E6 which is a beast of a TV for a great price.
       
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      A very positive review, but it is disappointing that we're still getting banding on these OLED sets in 2017.

      It seems very apparent that this is something Inherent to the way the panel is constructed, rather than in the picture processing.

      Given that 2017 is a 'tock' year in LG Display's apparent two year 'tick-tock' development cycle, I have wondered if we might see some sort of solution delivered in an all-new panel design for 2018.

      However, given that LG are ramping up their new major production facility on the basis of being satisfied with current OLED panel manufacturing, I do wonder if it's likely just to be more of the same.

      Desk
       
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      Clips hdr sun details on pan as the other oleds well....
      Seems its a 2018 wait Even the motion resolution was just Average.
      If the phillips Oled had better lag i get one as a gaming tv.
       
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      @Steve Withers So can we say that it retains all the near black colours instead of going into black straight away or a grey block ? So theres no issues with shadow detail.
      What about noise in the picture, colour banding and posturization ?
       
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      Very nice review. Can´t wait to have my preorder delivered.

      Can you please post your detailed settings. Really appreciate that.

      Cheers
       
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      Thanks Steve. Excellent as always.
      Hmm, I was expecting to read about how much better the Sony is to LGs, how they improved shadow detail and the like....

      I think I'll stick with my LG E6. It has 3D, a better operating system, a more practical stand, and cost a lot less.

      If I was buying again now, I think I'd buy an E6 again.. only a 65 instead of the 55 I have.
      If that wasn't available, I'd get a Z9.
       
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      For a tv at that price with an average remote, 2 x hdmi at 30p, lag and for me the annoying tilt. I would not be happy with spending more money to by a vesa stand to fix tilt without wall mount. Maybe an old yellow pages underneath might fix it.
       
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      Would love to be able to replace my XD93 with a Sony OLED in a few years. Peak brightness under 700 nits isn't good enough for me and I don't like TV's that sit at angle either. If I were buying a new TV now I'd get a ZD9.
       
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      Thanks for the review.

      My take on the latest round of OLED reviews here and elsewhere is that because:

      a) They haven't fixed the banding above black on 65" sets for 2017
      b) The increase in peak brightness isn't really significant
      and c) Even Sony haven't substantially improved motion performance

      then the LG E6 will continue to have by far and away the biggest trump card in the provision of the best 3D ever seen on a consumer TV. If that's of any interest to anyone then it's a no-brainer by the sounds of things.
       
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      Only two HDMI ports do full 4k60... on a £5000 TV. Not acceptable. Glad to see more OLED options from different companies though, hopefully will drive competition even if they are all LG panels.
      I like the minimalist design, but I don't like it leaning back at an angle and I can't see that being too good for flush wall mounting.

      Next year will be the year for me. HDMI 2.1, hopefully the last of the issues will be sorted, prices will be a bit lower, panels will be more mature.

      I hate the Android TV OS, I have a Sony TV currently and it's just not that nice to use and not well through out. Like different layers on one another and an inability to properly customise all the apps which is infuriating.

      Would still go for an LG C7 over this.
       
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      just been in the carlisle sony centre asking about this tv. They are saying that they will have it for a few days on tuesday to thursday next week for a pre lauch event.
       

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