Sony BDPS300B Blu-ray Disc Player

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  1. TechieSarah

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    I have both the E1, EX1, PS3 and now BDP-S300 and have to say it is much slower on the BDP-S300 from the time I put a disc in till it comes on the screen than PS3, E1 and EX1, but am relaly happy with it, at £350 with the spiderman trilogy worth around £50 included its a bargain. Sound is much better than my PS3, picture is only slightly better though, running my BDP-S300 through a Marantz SR8001 amp and Panasonic PTAE-1000 projector at full 1080p it was breathtaking to watch the Shooter Blu-Ray.
     
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    Hi Stuart

    Thanks for the feedback. :smashin:

    Have you tried any of the POTC BD titles ? I'd be interested to know how long they take to load. Also if they load any faster the second time in the player even after the player has been powered off/on.

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    From the horses mouth I guess.

    Just noticed that it can be had for £299.99...not sure if I am allowed to post links?
     
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    pirates of the caribean, lol

    when buying the BDP-S300 from Sony shop i asked them to try this title as I had just brought it.

    Me and the sales guy had a laugh a joke about going for a coffee while it loaded, took around 3 minutes to come on in total, from disc insertion.

    But to be honest im readily accepting both boot times adn load times, they dont really bother me as the quality is oh so good, remembering my EX1 takes ages to switch on.

    I switch them on and lower my screen etc while they load, i dont notice too much, but in the shop with folks around it was hilarious.
     
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    Anybody know if John Lewis carry this product ?

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    My thoughts exactly! - but they don't seem to, even though they did have the S1 at Nottingham for a while
     
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    Thanks Stuart.

    I own a first gen US Tosh that's now well over a year old and I was also prepared to put up with the longer load times for the same reasons. Glad to see Tosh improved load times for the first UK gen machines.

    That said I was knida hoping that the players would get faster with each generation. I'd be OK with PS3 levels of performance on Blu-ray but 3 minutes on BD-J titles is way too long IMO. Hope the introduction of 1.1 types features on titles doesn't make it even slower. :(

    LOL - Maybe Sony should include a kettle and coffee with each player :rotfl:

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    They seem to think the new BDP 5000 from Samsung is pretty fast..they seem to rate it highly for both formats.

    http://hdguru.com/?p=184
     
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    Yes I read that. LG reps at Cedia also claimed their dual player would load discs in 15 seconds. It just wasn't clear if this was HD DVD, Blu-ray/Blu-ray BD-J discs or all.

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    My local JLP do stock it (£399) with their 2 year warranty. I may have a look later today whilst I'm out.

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    I just purchased the S300 from JLP will test/compare it later today.

    Any questions/tests please shout and if I can help I will.

    I suspect if the performance is particularly slow compared to the PS3 it will be retuned.

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  13. Nic Rhodes

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    Stuart

    does the 300 have True HD? Can you put the 300 timings for POTC in the timing thread please, I think people would like that info here.

    Thanks Nic
     
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    Why are loads times so important to everybody, I just turn on and wait until my pioneer is ready, what's a min or two, as long as it plays as it should, some time I think people just want to moan, stop and enjoy HD in all its glory.
     
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    Nic

    What Blu-ray titles include TrueHD ? Most of my titles appear to be PCM and I have one with DTS HD master audio. I'll be going to Blockbuster a bit later and will rent a TrueHD title if possible.

    Looking at the "Setup" > "audio setup" menu there is no specific mention of Dolby TrueHD that I've seen so far. It does list "Dolby Digital Output" with output options as "Dolby Digital" or "Downmix PCM".

    According to page 48 of the manual is ouputs Dolby TrueHD as 5.1 ch over analogue or 5.1 ch over HDMI.

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    Timings BDP-S300

    Switch on from off to point blu-ray logo appears = 43 seconds
    POTC from insert to option to press English = 1min 25
    POTC from pressing english to disney logo = 1min 26

    As i said only for info, timings dont relaly bother me its quality.
     
  17. Nic Rhodes

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    300 on Blu ray is the classic TrueHD disc, others include:

    The Fifth Element (Remastered)
    Ghost Rider (Extended Cut)
    Stomp the Yard
    Blue Planet
    Immortal Beloved [
    Letters from Iwo Jima
    Nature's Colors
    Purple Rain
    TMNT
    Wings of Honneamise
    Legends of Jazz: Showcase
    Nine Inch Nails Live - Beside You in Time
    Dave Matthews & Tim Reynolds: Live at Radio City Music Hall

    They aren't very common atm but I suspect that we will see a move over to TrueHD from the dominance with PCM in the 'early days'.


    Re what the issue with the delay?, well none for just a simple film. I have a CRT projector which I leave for 30+ mins for good colour and convergence before I watch a film BUT it is an excellent guide to the processing power the players have and what they might be capable of with BD J in the future. We currently have some discs that are REALLY challenging to the original players like mine because they are already running 'out of puff'. PS3 is great and dandy and are no where near any 'buffers' of processing power yet but the first generation players are already at their limit for this additional stuff (and this long before we are talking about the complexities of Profile 1.1). In fact many less informed here called the original reported timings as 'faulty players' simply because of the power that they see with the PS3. Not all player are like that and the current players are at their limit already with little head room on processing power. When we see the new super SonC players, you will a significant jump in both processing power (and speed) which will both facilitate profile 1.1 and 2.0 capabilities but also be able to do much more with BD J that isn't just PinP. I suspect that if someone really pushed what the Blu ray format is capable of now there would be players that are currently not 'upto the mark' (probably mine!!). Luckily there is no need to do this for high quality audio and video performance used for films but additional info will be the value added that the market will fight over as the differenciator and this is where processing power (indicated by time) is all useful in the future. It is not about waiting 2 mins for a film to boot up for me.
     
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    Interesting I've just timed these as follows -

    Time from power off state to "tray open" using the eject button to power on the player - 55 seconds.

    I tried some different combinations of loading the BD-J title POTC Dead Mans Chest (US release)

    POTC DMC - Payer already on with tray open - Time from tray loading to first Disney logo (first time the dics is played) - 1 minute 55 seconds
    POTC DMC - Eject and reload as above without powering off the player - 1 minute 34 seeonds
    POTC DMC - Player power cycled - Disc reloaded (time from tray loading as above) - 1 minute 55 seconds

    For comparison the S300 took ~ 2 minutes 50 seconds from powered off state to first logo on this title compared to 43 seconds for the PS3. To actually get to the "play movie" menu screen took 4 minutes and 22 seconds in total on the S300. :(

    The Shooter and Casino Royale took 39-40 seconds from inserting the tray.

    How do I check the firmware version?

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    The BDP-S300 player I have says on the box on 3 large stickers to register for a free copy of the spiderman trilogy on blu-ray.
    It says in large print to insert the included disc, to register and fill in a questionaire to get them.

    It also has in extremely small print a web address for terms and conditions, on this page it clearly says that the free movies are for players registered between 15th october and 31st march 2008.

    http://xs.sonyfactory.com/spidermanterms

    I had already registered mine with disc when i saw this, but cannot understand why they would put 3 stickers on a large box saying to register for free movies if its for players bought next month, seems ludicrous.
     
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    Thanks Nic

    I do have the UK version of Ghost Rider (Extended Cut) but it does not appear have Dolby TrueHD just "English 5.1". The player reports "Dolby Digital English" with "3/2.1CH" output. I notice that hidefdigest report the US version as having Dolby TrueHD. Do you think this is an error of did they drop it from the UK disc ?

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    Spoke to Veronica at sony via the telephone and initially was given the number for their promotions team who said they didnt know about the offer and to ring sony back directly.

    Spoke to a different person who said that it doesnt matter when you register you still get the movies, so i suppose its wait and see ;)
     
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    I'll check tonight AVI.
     
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    Nic

    Thanks. I've watched several movies on the S300 and it has some nice features and PQ is decent. At a push I would say the image is slightly clearner than the PS3 but there's not much in it. The source direct for 576i over HDMI is a useful feature if you are using an external VP with DVD. :)

    The audio setup doesn't allow for speaker distance or speaker level setup with 5.1 and this may be an issue depending on the amp. I haven't been able to test Dolby TrueHD.

    With BD-J discs operational performance is very slow. Non BD-J titles are not as slow but still a lot slower than the PS3 especially when power up time is factored in. :(

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    The US disc has TrueHD, the UK one doesn't. :(
     
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    That's a bit naughty :mad:

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    Some blu-ray discs have just "uncompressed audio". Dolby TrueHD is an encoded "lossless audio" which should amount to the same thing.... What advantage is there with Dolby TrueHD over just non branded "uncomrpessed audio" which I guess is PCM?

    If there is no advantage, then why don't we just encode everything as PCM and get rid of the need to support different codecs?

    For me the crucial difference between the S300 and S500 will be whether the DACs are better in the S500. I am not saying the S300 ones are bad...just wondering if the S500 ones will be better. If not, I really am not sure what one is getting for the extra money.
     
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    The lack of TrueHD on a disc is a real bugger when you want to test a player for TrueHD compatibility!!

    PCM although very welcome to have at least one of the uncompressed formats on any disc, on any format, PCM is the very inefficient method of delivery and often is just given in 16 bit form, however many of us prefer the 20 bit encodes like the TrueHD on the Ghost Rider disc in the US as opposed to the 16 bit PCM encodes which take considerably more space.

    Selectable Audio on US Ghost Rider:
    English PCM 5.1 Surround (48kHz/16-Bit/4.6mbps)
    English Dolby TrueHD (48kHz/20-bit)
    French Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround (640kbps)

    and of course the 'hidden' DD tract for the SPDIF.
     
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    I believe the main reason ‘uncompressed’ PCM is to be found on BD’s is because it is not mandatory for Blu-ray players to decode TruHD but only optional. :eek:

    As Nic says, PCM takes up a lot of space in comparison to TruHD and is often 16bit, even if sourced from 24bit masters, so the term ‘uncompressed’ is moot.
     
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    Perhaps there is an offer that is yet to be announced and some retailers have jumped the gun on the promotional stock, rather like when the PS3 was being advertised in the US about 2 weeks [Best Buy adverts circulating the web], before that cut was announced.
     
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    Thanks for both responses. Somehow I had missed the 16/20bit difference. Apologies for that but very useful to know.

    So I guess we are still waiting for someone who has a TrueHD disc to try it on a S300 player as per Sony UKs website, it should work....or its a spec error in which case people are entitled to a refund :)

    EDIT: Just looked at Bridge to Terabithia blu-ray which I have (US version but plays on region B) which states "English 5.1 Uncompressed 48khz/24-bit" ...so thats even better than TrueHD? I realise it is inefficient on storage, but if there is the room on the disc...why not?!
     

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