Sony AG9/A9G (KD-55AG9) OLED TV Review & Comments

thedoswells

Well-known Member
Another stunning and honest review. It fits in exactly what I felt when I ended up buying my gz950... the Sony looks superb but I just couldn’t manage the very large price difference between it and the Panasonic and LG 2019 oleds.
Much appreciated
 

bogart99

Active Member
Is it me just being cynical but should the out the box not look better at the brighter end, especially on a £2k plus tv?
 

KALIMERA

Standard Member
If Sony wish to increase the sales of it's AG9 they ought to realise it is grossly overpriced, compared with the excellent Panasonic 55 gz950. The gz950 now retails at £1549 at Ortons of Nottingham :)
 

Phil Hinton

Editor
Staff member
Is it me just being cynical but should the out the box not look better at the brighter end, especially on a £2k plus tv?
OK. The important number is the DeltaE error. If this is under 3 it is most likely that you will see no issue with actual content. The result just stepped out of that threshold which for a consumer TV is still an excellent result, why? Because I could sit you in front of that TV and flick between this and the calibrated results and chances are you wouldn't see any difference at all. This is covered in the review. It is something we will have to cover in a tutorial as I also see people playing with AutoCal and worrying themselves over a 0.4 difference in DeltaE when it is already invisible to the human eye. Forget good looking graphs, they are for pros to sell you a calibration and show you something nice on a plotted graph. They have their place in presenting important data, but it is important to also realise the ability of the eye in seeing any such error on average.
 

growlingfish

Novice Member
Good review, and it's nice to hear Android TV is no longer as bad on Sony tvs as it has been in the past. I'm honestly struggling to see why you'd pay the extra £££ for this over an LG or Panasonic OLED, though.
 

Coulson

Well-known Member
Good review, and it's nice to hear Android TV is no longer as bad on Sony tvs as it has been in the past. I'm honestly struggling to see why you'd pay the extra £££ for this over an LG or Panasonic OLED, though.
Android Oreo works a lot better the previous versions. It used to crash quite often, it's more of a rare occurrence now. You could wait up to 30 seconds before a button response before, now no more than 3. So it's still not the best TV OS but 100% better than any previous version.
 

Coulson

Well-known Member
Good review, and it's nice to hear Android TV is no longer as bad on Sony tvs as it has been in the past. I'm honestly struggling to see why you'd pay the extra £££ for this over an LG or Panasonic OLED, though.
After my shootout experience, if I bought an OLED (which before the shootout I wouldn't have considered) then I would probably be looking at Panasonic g950 or if I somehow came into some cash the the gz2000 because of the Pro panel. But as it is, I will just wait until the end of the year and see what TCL does.
 

supermariojj

Standard Member
Excuse my ignorance but why is not having HDMI 2.1 bad, when you got HDMI 2.3 ? Surely it's backwards compatible ?
 

steviedr

Distinguished Member
Excuse my ignorance but why is not having HDMI 2.1 bad, when you got HDMI 2.3 ? Surely it's backwards compatible ?
It applies to all models this year, but more so as we move through the year towards CES 2020 when (I am assuming) many manufacturers will add at least 1 hdmi2.1 port to their TV's.
New games consoles (Xbox Scarlett/PS5) should arrive Q3-Q4 next year and will have hdmi2.1 onboard. While 2.0b can have some of the features VRR/eArc/ALLM/ I don't think any current manufacturer supports them all (bar LG who brought 2.1 this year which also includes QMS).

BTW, don't be confusing HDMI 2.0/2.1 with HDCP 2.3 (copy protection)

Another great video review btw Phil !
 
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supermariojj

Standard Member
It applies to all models this year, but more so as we move through the year towards CES 2020 when (I am assuming) many manufacturers will add at least 1 hdmi2.1 port to their TV's.
New games consoles (Xbox Scarlett/PS5) should arrive Q3-Q4 next year and will have hdmi2.1 onboard. While 2.0b can have some of the features VRR/eArc/ALLM/ I don't think any current manufacturer supports them all (bar LG who brought 2.1 this year which also includes QMS).

BTW, don't be confusing HDMI 2.0/2.1 with HDCP 2.3 (copy protection)

Another great video review btw Phil !
Understood. Thanks for that.
 

Rockets

Active Member
Extract from review -

'Finally, looking at the user interface, the Android TV system is now stable and fast with a nice spread of apps'

Well this is the biggest improvement that you would notice in day to day use. There is no way I will look at a Sony tv unless the OS is well sorted. I don't mind even if the OS looks outdated to some extent. The main thing the OS needs to be is easy to use and stable.
 

dion 6

Active Member
I'm getting a 65" GZ950 delivered from Richer Sounds on monday £1300 cheaper than the Sony. I don't think the Sony is value for money.
 

Coulson

Well-known Member
Extract from review -

'Finally, looking at the user interface, the Android TV system is now stable and fast with a nice spread of apps'

Well this is the biggest improvement that you would notice in day to day use. There is no way I will look at a Sony tv unless the OS is well sorted. I don't mind even if the OS looks outdated to some extent. The main thing the OS needs to be is easy to use and stable.
I never wanted an Android TV OS in the first place, but the reviews of my TV sold me on the picture quality. So once I set it up I tried not to use the OS very often because of how poor it was.
If you are watching a lot of TV, then besides the obvious question, the TV OS will be important. I watch mostly films or stuff on the Internet so not really that important to me. Saying all that, I am using the OS a more now because I know it works and is a lot more responsive.
 

wezzywebb

Distinguished Member
Extract from review -

'Finally, looking at the user interface, the Android TV system is now stable and fast with a nice spread of apps'

Well this is the biggest improvement that you would notice in day to day use. There is no way I will look at a Sony tv unless the OS is well sorted. I don't mind even if the OS looks outdated to some extent. The main thing the OS needs to be is easy to use and stable.
The OS was perfectly good in the AF9 last year too
 

MahaRaja

Well-known Member
Considering it's more than a grand expensive than more talented GZ950, it should score 8. Why have a product on the market where the rival set is far cheaper & with better performance.

If I was on the market for a new OLED and the AG9 is priced the SAME as Panasonic GZ950, I would go for GZ950/GZ1000.
 

scottjyoung

Active Member
Nice review. I have to say in the side by sides I liked the better colour and details in the highlights on the Sony more than I missed shadow detail in the darker areas, although I accept it's not ideal on a YouTube video.

I noticed in the menu settings on the video that you had adjusted the 2 point bias controls. I seem to recall reviews a year or so ago that these were broken on the Sonys and could mess up a calibration. I take it that has been fixed now.
 

AndretheTVguy

Active Member
Hi Phil, When you say Android TV OS is now smooth and stable, did you mean on this TV in particular or in general?

I have found android runs only as good as the processing behind it, did you find any differences in Smart processing under the hood of this AG9 and the other androids that have been poorly reviewed before this?
 

Coulson

Well-known Member
Hi Phil, When you say Android TV OS is now smooth and stable, did you mean on this TV in particular or in general?

I have found android runs only as good as the processing behind it, did you find any differences in Smart processing under the hood of this AG9 and the other androids that have been poorly reviewed before this?
Makes sense but not alway the case. Android Oreo now runs great whereas the previous version ran like a dog. Same TV different result.
 

bogart99

Active Member
OK. The important number is the DeltaE error. If this is under 3 it is most likely that you will see no issue with actual content. The result just stepped out of that threshold which for a consumer TV is still an excellent result, why? Because I could sit you in front of that TV and flick between this and the calibrated results and chances are you wouldn't see any difference at all. This is covered in the review. It is something we will have to cover in a tutorial as I also see people playing with AutoCal and worrying themselves over a 0.4 difference in DeltaE when it is already invisible to the human eye. Forget good looking graphs, they are for pros to sell you a calibration and show you something nice on a plotted graph. They have their place in presenting important data, but it is important to also realise the ability of the eye in seeing any such error on average.
No problem with your argument at all. As this was retail set how do we know that another is just not that bit more off beam, or possibly a lot more on beam, and will have noticeable effects. On the contrary one could argue that a set that produces a bang on graph could just perchance be a one off. So really Joe punter is still taking a gamble. Is it not possible for manufacturers to get a more consistent result.
 

Phil Hinton

Editor
Staff member
No problem with your argument at all. As this was retail set how do we know that another is just not that bit more off beam, or possibly a lot more on beam, and will have noticeable effects. On the contrary one could argue that a set that produces a bang on graph could just perchance be a one off. So really Joe punter is still taking a gamble. Is it not possible for manufacturers to get a more consistent result.
There is always the possibility of panel variance and there is no way to combat that with mass produced products. However, given this is a retail set should point to a decent chance that errors will not be massively different from other sets. I do find it positive that when we test manufacturer supplied TVs they measure roughly the same as the sets sold to the public, but of course, the sample size is small, but it is also random. There is no way to be absolutely certain that results will mirror all sold TVs and nobody can guarantee that. However, I also don't subscribe to the notion that there will be massive differences between panels, rather the differences will be within a certain range that isn't too far from what we see with this retail sample (accepting some broken or damaged examples that will enter the stock).
 

boabis

Active Member
Sony Exec #1: “We have finally produced an OLED set with a fantastic picture, innovative sound, complete feature set and a working OS. We’ve finally caught up with LG & Panasonic!”

Sony Exec #2: *snorts massive line of cocaine* “Well we better charge a grand more for it then!”
 

deon444

Distinguished Member
Sony Exec #1: “We have finally produced an OLED set with a fantastic picture, innovative sound, complete feature set and a working OS. We’ve finally caught up with LG & Panasonic!”

Sony Exec #2: *snorts massive line of cocaine* “Well we better charge a grand more for it then!”
Think it's more like Panasonic and LG have caught up to sony.

And if price is such an issue,you may as well get the Af9 where arguably you will have a better set than the Ag9 anyway,and cheaper.
 

steve sph

Active Member
Excellent and comprehensive review, as ever - if only all reviews were this thorough.
All things considered I think I'll stick with Panasonic - for me they're head and shoulders above the rest for less money which makes it the very definition of a no-brainer.
 

Simon F

Well-known Member
Very nice review, @Phil Hinton thank you. Any idea when we might expect a review of the GZ2000?
 

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