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Sonix 26" Settings and hints

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  1. Dubbing Mixer

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    Since the main Sonix thread is becoming difficult to find things in, I thought it might be time for a new thread. If we keep this one for settings and information to make up for the abysmal instructions, it might stay small enough to be useful for a while.

    Any discoveries about the service menu most welcome!
     
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    OK so far we know that pressing the menu button on the set and on the remote together gets you into the service menu.

    We also know there is a switch in the service menu that might or might not turn on HDCP

    Things we (Well at any rate, I) don't know:

    How to store seperate settings for different inputs.

    What most of the entries in the service menus actually do.

    All other discoveries and suggestions welcome.
     
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    Yeah and I am still wanting to know if we can alter the factory PQ presets to allow us to reduce the colour to a more acceptable level. If we can do that we will have a 'one button' control we can actually use whenever a channel needs minor PQ adjustments.
    As for the service menu....unless I here from someone who knows this tv inside out (ie...works for the manufacturers ) I will not be tampering with any of them....accept the free porn one of course ;)
     
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    And I reckon that very function is in the service menu. Like you, I'm not keen on tampering with the service menu adjustments from a position of ignorance...
     
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    CHRIS MURIEL (Manchester) seemed to know a fair bit about the tv so I hope he is reading these threads to let us know if he actually knows anything about the settings or not.
     
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    Fingers crossed, because I'm getting close with the 'ordinary' settings. I'd just llike to be able to fine tune it and store different options for the various inputs.
     
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    if people just keep making posts that do NOT include settings and hints (like this one...) then this is just going to become another generic Sonix discussion thread.

    Lets keep it to posts that JUST contain settings and hints please
     
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    well the idea of me posting on here was to try to encourage the likes of C Muriel or anyone else with info to post and what it is exactly we want to know (surely pertinent enough?)......after all our comments are keeping to the ideals of the thread if not any further useful info.
     
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    I do not know a lot about the Sonix TVs - in fact I have never seen one in the flesh !
    What happened (in the other Sonix thread) is that someone posted a reference to the AD9883 which appeared somewhere within the service menu ; now I happen to work (as an applications engineer) for the IC company that makes the AD9883 so I posted some information about the AD9883.
    On further examination, based on the Sonix specs and the functionality of the AD9883, it is unlikely that this model acually uses the AD9883 ! It appears that Sonix used, at least in part, the same software code in the service menu as was used in a model that DID use an AD9883.
    What it does use for it's dual-channel ADC (RGB and DVI input IC) I don't know.
    I am sorry I can't help any further.
    I am an electronics engineer but not a clairvoyant.

    Chris Muriel, Manchester.
     
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    Chris, if we assume for the moment that the Sonix does use an Analog Devices IC - possibly the A9882A - how would the service menu be created? Is that functionality part of the AD evaluation software package? And if we were to post screen shots of the menu, which lists shorthand functions and 1, 0 flags for the most part, would you be able to translate the functions into something that mere mortals can understand?
     
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    Thanks Chris,

    From what square eyes has posted elsewhere the RGB gains work much as expected. Exactly what the RGB offsets do I am not sure. If anyone has a definition it would be useful.

    I have also noticed that the picture geometry options are restricted to 4:3 and 16:9 when using progressive component.
     
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    Square Eyes has already downloaded the AD9882A evaluation documentation and quoted part of the instructions from it.
    There are basically 3 ADCs , 1 for each colour. Gain adjusts the overall relationship between input code and output level ; it is the deviation
    in slope of the ADC transfer characteristic from ideal (usually expressed as a percentage of full scale range although it can be in LSBs).
    Page 14 of the AD9882A datasheet explains offset error, essentially it defines what should happen with zero input (point of origin of transfer curve). Good apps note from National Semiconductor here :
    http://www.fisica.unile.it/~panareo/Application_note/AN-156.pdf
    You can download a complete Analog/Digital Conversion seminar from our website here : http://www.analog.com/en/cList/0,,758__62,00.html
    (I have been presenting an updated version of this in various countries over the past few months).
    Our AD9882A evaluation board comes with a USB & parallel port interface and PC program written in Visual Basic. This simply allows the user to exercise the registers in a convenient manner.
    In a real TV , the manufacturer writers his own software and it will vary depending on what adjustments he feels he needs to provide ( variously known as the "User Interface" , "Man-machine interface" or "Human control interface" ). This may well be written in assembler code specific to the processor that the TV uses.
    Our AD9882A evaluation boards often connect to a display interface board (DIB) which contain FPGAs and allows more tricks to be played at the evaluation stage. It is beyond the scope of this forum for me to delve into these publicly - I would like to keep my job !
    Frankly I don't see how this could ever help end users. If I really wanted to hack a panel I would find an I2C connection (see Philips semiconductor for info on I2C) and poke in register values in order to see to see what happens ; this could also make the panel unusable by the way !

    Chris Muriel, Manchester.
     
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    LATEST ABOUT HDCP ......THIS COMES FROM ORION THE MANUFACTURERS.............

    "Our current models(26,32inch) are not HDTV but HD-ready.....that means that it can display HDTV with the use of a Settop box.

    The HDCP wich is a digital input signal through DVI jack is a feature that our current models do not support."

    I hope that sorts that question out once and for all now.
     
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    Thanks Chris,

    Most enlightening! (Well, what I understand of it) Seems to me, what we need is a 'workshop manual' for the specific TV with some details of how they've implemented whatever chip is actually in it and what the tweaks they've provided are intended to achieve. (apart from the obvious ones)
     
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    Ps....Now I have had this email from them I have decided to send another one back to ask if he can let me know how to adjust the service settings to reduce the colour side of the pre-set PQ button. He will probably reply 'there are no customer control settings inside that menu' and I should not mess with it. But its worth a shot. I will keep you all posted.
     
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    I guess they are clear on it not supporting HDCP.
    But the "not HDTV but HD-ready" is a bit misleading/confusing. What is HD-ready if it is not HDTV?

    AIUI, the pukka HD-Ready logo requires that HDCP is required if a digital input is provided (DVI or HDMI). However, HD-ready does allow 1280x720p over component which the Sonix Supports.

    Bottom line, it won't work with anything that requires HDCP :(

    Though I never bought it believing it did, so I am not complaining.
     
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    me neither...its great at what it does now and is perfect for what I wanted for:)
     
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    I have just received another reply from Orion......

    "About back light I'm not able to find anything according to your CFL values.....please find the spec on the enternet under AU Panels: T260XW01 V.5

    For the Service Menu: I'm not familie with any "secret" way to go into this....I tryed the two meny's as you wrote NO succes.....I no that the technicans have a kind of service remote for there use....I do not have this kind of remote.

    All I know about the APC setting is that it the color temp. is switz between 9400k, 13000k and 17000k.

    We do not have any service manual sorry...."
     
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    It seems clear that Orion just assemble these things, not design them.

    As such, I wonder if they even have the facts on HDCP right
     
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    Check out a brief spec on the AUO (AU Optronics) TX260XW01 here:

    http://www.auo.com.tw/auoDEV/products.php?sec=lcdTV&func=info&product_id=56&items_id=8

    This baby has 16 CFL tubes and a power consumption of 90~100 Watts!

    Tubes are spec'd at 50K hours (which is good).

    Mr Sparkle
     
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    Good research! I don't see anything about 50k Hours on that page tho'. 12ms grey to grey ain't too shabby and is borne out in practice.

    I've just requested a pdf data sheet from here:

    http://www.lcdsolar.com/results_rpsb.php?part_id=3769

    If it shows up, I hope it might shed a bit more light.
     
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    Between us we may just get somewhere ;)
     
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    hmmm doesnt help me much ....I need anything spelled out to me ;)
     
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    no mention of acceptable 'bad pixels' in the spec.
     
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    Good work Mr Sparkle. OK, this still doesn't tell us what we need to know so I guess the next step is to attempt to discover which component manufacturer makes the logic board and get the data sheet for that. (I think it is a fair assumption that it is a generic board since Orion appear to know little about it.) Short of taking the back off and looking at it, I'm not sure how we are going to find this out.
     
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    Oh well this is the latest from Orion and confirms what we suspected.....they arent the guys to help us.....:(

    I explained to him how to access the service menu and asked if it possible to adjust the pre-sets?.......


    "Thanks for the tip....it works...super..

    I'm sorry but we are not familie with any settingsin this....our R&D designhouse is having thise settings and they are all preset with out any possibility to change...."
     
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    The Solar data sheet arrived but once again, it's only for the panel itself and therefore not much help.
     
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    Courtesy of DGC:

    "The monitor info readout when connected via vga input is:

    Monitor
    Windows description......... Plug and Play Monitor
    Manufacturer description.... DT-3003X
    Manufacturer................ LGE
    ————————————————————————————
    Plug and Play ID............ GSM0100
    Serial number............... n/a
    EDID data source............ Registry (stored)
    ————————————————————————————
    Manufacture date............ 2004
    EDID revision............... 1.1
    Display type and signal..... Digital
    Sync input support.......... n/a
    Screen size................. 640 x 380 mm (~31")
    Power management............ n/a

    Color characteristics
    Display gamma............... 2.50
    Red chromaticity............ Rx 0.631 - Ry 0.339
    Green chromaticity.......... Gx 0.282 - Gy 0.597
    Blue chromaticity........... Bx 0.144 - By 0.077
    White point (default)....... Wx 0.283 - Wy 0.296

    Timing characteristics
    VESA GTF support............ Not supported
    Horizontal scan range....... 26-80kHz (est.)
    Vertical scan range......... 48-85Hz (est.)
    Video bandwidth............. 106MHz (est.)
    Extension blocks............ n/a
    Timing recommendation #1.... 800x600 at 85Hz
    Modeline................ "800x600" 56.250 800 832 896 1048 600 601 604 631 +hsync +vsync
    Timing recommendation #2.... 1280x768 at 60Hz
    Modeline................ "1280x768" 80.130 1280 1344 1480 1680 768 769 788 795 +hsync +vsync

    Standard timings supported
    640 x 360 at 69Hz - VESA
    640 x 480 at 60Hz - IBM VGA
    640 x 480 at 67Hz - Mac II
    640 x 480 at 72Hz - VESA
    640 x 480 at 75Hz - VESA
    640 x 640 at 85Hz - VESA
    720 x 400 at 70Hz - IBM VGA
    720 x 405 at 69Hz - VESA
    720 x 720 at 85Hz - VESA
    800 x 600 at 56Hz - VESA
    800 x 600 at 60Hz - VESA
    800 x 600 at 72Hz - VESA
    800 x 600 at 75Hz - VESA
    800 x 600 at 85Hz - LGE
    800 x 800 at 60Hz - VESA
    800 x 800 at 75Hz - VESA
    832 x 624 at 75Hz - Mac II
    1024 x 768 at 60Hz - VESA
    1024 x 768 at 70Hz - VESA
    1024 x 768 at 75Hz - VESA
    1024 x 1024 at 60Hz - VESA
    1024 x 1024 at 75Hz - VESA
    1280 x 768 at 60Hz - LGE

    Raw EDID base
    00: 00 FF FF FF FF FF FF 00 1E 6D 00 01 01 01 01 01
    10: 00 0E 01 01 81 40 26 96 08 B7 FB A1 56 48 98 24
    20: 13 48 4B BF EE 00 31 19 31 C9 3B 19 3B C9 45 00
    30: 45 0F 61 00 61 0F F9 15 20 F8 30 58 1F 20 20 40
    40: 13 00 0E C3 10 00 00 1E 4D 1F 00 90 51 00 1B 30
    50: 40 88 13 01 5E 05 32 00 00 1E 00 00 00 FD 00 38
    60: 55 1E 50 08 00 0A 20 20 20 20 20 20 00 00 00 FC
    70: 00 44 54 2D 33 30 30 33 58 0A 20 20 20 20 00 22

    Display adapter
    Adapter description......... Intel(R) 82865G Graphics Controller
    Adapter device ID........... 0x25728086
    Display settings............ 1280x768, 32bpp"
     

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