For the first time in a while I am looking forward to a game being released. - Pro Evolution 4 for Xbox. In the past I have played a lot of soccer games, but never a PES title. The reviews about playability are what really make me excited. The previous Fifa efforts have had all the glitz, but never actually seemed to capture the playability of old titles (not tried 2005 mind). Anybody here remember the game "Goal!" on the Amiga ?? For me, along with my second favourite Sensible Soccer, Goal was the best effort I have seen. The game was fast and fairly nice to look at. But the big plus was the control system. It was soooooo intuitive and actually made you feel you were genuinely in control. Far too often the likes of Fifa make you have a feeling of influencing the game, but not controlling it. Pressing shoot is just a throw of a dice. Depending on where you are on the pitch, the more likely it is to go in. It would be nice to feel as if you nearly scored not because the console decided it, but because you just aimed slightly off, and hit the ball not quite right on the timing of the bounce etc. So what do people think about how soccer games have developed over the years. To me, playability dropped as the graphics/AI/animation/detail improved. Hopefully with PES4 we could be making a step forward? Or am I destined to be dissappointed again ?