I read somewhere that the Philips DVD recorders incl the new R80 does not actually erase parts of a recording you don't want to keep ie adverts but only hides the foootage instead unlike the Panosonic EM50 which does 100% properly erase footage. Is this correct or hogwash ? Best price I've seen btw for the EM50 is £274. Is this good ? Best price for the R80 is £426 from unbeatable.co.uk. With the r80 can you overide the EPG planner and is it true that it is also a VCD and CD recorder ?