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So, as there's now (in theory) going to be a delay........

pinnocchio

Member
Do you think that there will finally be an election called?

Do you think that Farage will roast BoJo on the fire of 'TRAITOR' for being this incompetent?

While I realise a lot of people on this board would like to think the Tories will romp home, in light of BoJo signing the delay do you really think the Tories will win an election?
 

Panavision

Well-known Member
Yes, even on this show the Tories would win a majority. That's been the problem, Boris doesn't have a majority to put anything through. The GE would give him that.
 

Clem_Dye

Well-known Member
Really? The whole lot of them are duplicitous bunch, and are only interested in perusing their own goals, regardless of what their constituents want. They are resisting an election because so many of them know that they’ll be ousted, so better to screw the country whilst they still can. The next election will, I’m sure, result in a hung parliament, giving us pretty much what we have now.

Clem
 

richp007

Distinguished Member
After today I don't think an election is going to come into the agenda just yet. This extension will need to be sorted first.

Farage is a winner today though as he can spend the next few days at least winning some brownie points off the back of this.
 

Cliff

Distinguished Member
Farage is a winner today though as he can spend the next few days at least winning some brownie points off the back of this.
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Exactly. However it just means he can reiterate how badly everyone else is handling Brexit etc etc.

He could have been finished today.
He might be a winner in a lot of Labour constituencies, (they appear to be a Remain party now) but in the Tory areas there will be support for Boris because he has put a lot of effort in securing a new deal from the EU (not an easy task) . It failed in Parliament because of silly party politics. As @kav said I would be laughing with the rest of the world if it wasn't so close to home.
 

Pacifico

Distinguished Member
Do you think that there will finally be an election called?
Based on what was being said last week then no. Several players are now calling for another referendum before a GE, so 6 - 12 months to hold a referendum and you might get a GE this time next year.
 

richp007

Distinguished Member
He might be a winner in a lot of Labour constituencies, (they appear to be a Remain party now) but in the Tory areas there will be support for Boris because he has put a lot of effort in securing a new deal from the EU (not an easy task) . It failed in Parliament because of silly party politics. As @kav said I would be laughing with the rest of the world if it wasn't so close to home.
Johnson put in mimimal effort in securing a deal. I'm perplexed as to how some believe it was a tactical move of genius. All he did was drop his red lines, and the EU smelled blood.

Anyway you may be right about Farage, but if Johnson fails to deliver on Brexit it's been repeated here many times how he's losing votes to Farage at the next election. I'm not sure just showing some "effort" is going to save him.

Not delivering Brexit could do serious damage to the Conservative party.
 

EarthRod

Distinguished Member
Exactly. However it just means he can reiterate how badly everyone else is handling Brexit etc etc.

He could have been finished today.
Farage is a clever politician and good orator, genial but lacks gravitas.

Cannot be taken too seriously, especially as he has failed many times to make it into Westminster as an MP.
 

richp007

Distinguished Member
Farage is a clever politician and good orator, genial but lacks gravitas.

Cannot be taken too seriously, especially as he has failed many times to make it into Westminster as an MP.
Yeah it's now or never for him. But there's a perfect storm brewing with an opposition leader whose an absolute numpty, and as I said above, a Tory party in danger of not delivering Brexit.

People will be pissed and looking for somewhere to turn.

Not saying he could win a majority of course, but he might get a foothold.

Dangerous times.
 
Johnson put in mimimal effort in securing a deal. I'm perplexed as to how some believe it was a tactical move of genius. All he did was drop his red lines, and the EU smelled blood.

Anyway you may be right about Farage, but if Johnson fails to deliver on Brexit it's been repeated here many times how he's losing votes to Farage at the next election. I'm not sure just showing some "effort" is going to save him.

Not delivering Brexit could do serious damage to the Conservative party.
You don’t know how much effort he put in or not. Nor does anyone who wasn’t part of it. You just let your prejudices shine through as per usual.

He didn’t just drop our red lines, he made them workable in a compromise. And not only that, it allowed for a deadlock to be removed on an item that was rejected three times already and openly said by the EU to be non negotiable.

You seem to underestimate the importance of that, and not giving the team credit for it either.

I agree on the last point, not delivering Brexit will damage the Conservative party. And they bring all those other parties who said they are for Brexit down with them.
 

richp007

Distinguished Member
You don’t know how much effort he put in or not. Nor does anyone who wasn’t part of it. You just let your prejudices shine through as per usual.

He didn’t just drop our red lines, he made them workable in a compromise. And not only that, it allowed for a deadlock to be removed on an item that was rejected three times already and openly said by the EU to be non negotiable.

You seem to underestimate the importance of that, and not giving the team credit for it either.

I agree on the last point, not delivering Brexit will damage the Conservative party. And they bring all those other parties who said they are for Brexit down with them.
Thinking for me once again. Shock horror :laugh:

I'm not sorry I don't tow the Leaver line that he's the second coming. He's a slimy politician, not to be trusted an inch. Few of them are of course, but he's on another level along with the likes of Farage.

It just surprises me so many are easily fooled.
 

IronGiant

Moderator
I'm a bit confused (nothing new there then) but did I hear correctly that the Speaker may disallow a vote on the Boris WA on grounds it has already been voted on?
 

EarthRod

Distinguished Member
"It is possible that Mr Bercow could block the government's move, and rule that the vote cannot be repeated so soon because it effectively happened on Saturday."
 

Aj33

Well-known Member
"It is possible that Mr Bercow could block the government's move, and rule that the vote cannot be repeated so soon because it effectively happened on Saturday."
i think I shall have a party when Bercow has left parliament. He is a disgrace of a speaker!
 

IronGiant

Moderator
Don't blame the home team because the referee is on the side of the opposition ;)
 

richp007

Distinguished Member
Don't blame the home team because the referee is on the side of the opposition ;)
Like he said in his reply to Jenkins, he's also been on the side of the home team many times too.

But that is of course all conveniently forgotten.
 

ZedMarcus

Active Member
Absolutely right, Bercow should just say "bugger it" to the parliamentary rules and procedures and let the Tories do whatever they want just so they can "get Brexit done". After all they'll try any old dirty tactic to get their own way.
 

pinnocchio

Member
I'm a bit confused (nothing new there then) but did I hear correctly that the Speaker may disallow a vote on the Boris WA on grounds it has already been voted on?
What's actually happened is the Speaker hasn't allowed a straight vote on the 'whole deal' being agreed, this is because Boris pulled that on Saturday after the Letwin amendment was passed (this was a decision by BoJo to pull it, he wasn't forced to do so).

Instead what will happen this week and is already happening today, is the individual requirements of the bill will be debated and voted on. As long as they pass then there's no longer a requirement for a 'top level' vote on the whole deal.

The rational behind this is that lets say the 'whole deal' had been agreed, then Boris withdraws the letter of extension, then during the passing of the individual legislation someone (could be remainers or could even be the ERG) 'trip up' a specific part of the legislation then we hit the 31st and crash out with no deal.

This way the letter stays in place while the legislation gets passed, so as long as there's no hiccups we can't crash out, in my view it's an insurance letter purely against the crash out.
 

pinnocchio

Member
Would this be the unsigned letter?
While I personally think that sending the letter in unsigned was just petty, the letter got sent and that's the important thing.

If Boris feels that he needs to do petulant little things to show his side 'little victories' I'm not going to lose sleep over that.

We've all done things in our lives, that, looking back, we would do differently if given the chance again.
 

EUarmy

Active Member
While I personally think that sending the letter in unsigned was just petty, the letter got sent and that's the important thing.

If Boris feels that he needs to do petulant little things to show his side 'little victories' I'm not going to lose sleep over that.

We've all done things in our lives, that, looking back, we would do differently if given the chance again.
True: but when you act like a spoilt brat when you as the PM are required to act in a statesman like manner that's a different matter
 

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