Answered Smasung KU6000 or KU6400

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    Hi

    Looking for new telly and narrow down to them 2, there is around £100 price different, we never owned 4k or smart tv for that matter, will be using netflix, sky box for SD and HD, which one would be best and why? Would prefer to stick to Samsung for some reason but if you can advice on other brands, go ahead.

    Thanks in advance

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    Which models?
     
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    Oops - should have read the title first :blush:
     
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    are they that bad? reading around bit of mixture reviews, some say good some bad, I'm bit limited on budget.
     
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    They are both very similar, the KU6400 has a sat tuner for watching freesat directly, a different design, wireless AC vs N and the touch remote. It also has a wider colour gamut but that only matters for watching HDR. For normal stuff the PQ is identical.

    What kind of UHD will you be watching? There's no advantage having an UHD tv unless you watch UHD content and SD content will actually look worse on a UHD screen if you still plan to watch that.
     
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    Can't believe that we've been looking at the same models today! :)

    The 6000 is cheaper and has poorer sound (ref Which?) but we have cinema system anyway. However, I read earlier on s21.com their comment the 6000 "suffers" from some motion blur and the viewing angles aren't the best. But the specs AND Which? give it a good review basically saying the sound quality holds it back. The thing is, they appear to be essentially the same tv! So, do the "motion blur" and "viewing angle" apply to both? We saw the 6400 today but not the 6000 (research this evening) so can't answer myself. 6400 is a beautiful picture and the salesman (yes, i know) said the upscaling of non-4k source (eg sky hd) benefits from a 4K tv. This was one of my main questions as to whither 4k.

    S21.com review Samsung UE55KU6000 review and best prices (KU6000) | S21

    Thanks for any advice.
     
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    s21 only reviewed the 40" KU6000 so does not necessarily apply to the 55" and also only reviewed the 49" KU6400, a new panel size for Samsung. Apparently it does not have a Samsung panel but one by a Chinese manufacturer named BOE and tends to be an IPS type. Samsung also used this manufacturer for last year's 55JU6800 (JS7000 in the US/rtings) and in a few other models.
    The 49" panels in the KS series are by Samsung themselves though ...
    No wonder they say the Ku6400 'fixes' the problems of viewing angles (and motion blur; the JU6800 scored excellent on response time). But this does not apply to the 55" which uses a Samsung VA panel. The 55Ju6000 also uses a VA type of panel but from yet another manufacturer. Blacks and contrast might be little better on the JU6000 but uniformity on the JU6400. All in all probably quite similar at the 55" size (haven't compared the specs on the Samsung site as far as features are concerned).
     
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    Well don't have much choice, still need to watch some programs that are SD from sky box, others are HD, I need new tv anyway as our current sometime takes 50 clicks before turns on and thats after cap replacement, so all in all I'm not expert when it comes to picture quality but I'm sure it can't be worst then on 10 year old lcd tv. Sound is not a problem as using av receiver with 5.1 system plus sky box is crap for sound anyway, we was looking at the new technology of smart and 4K, but my understanding is there is not much 4k out there but it would be nice maybe to stream something from the like of netflix ect., don't want to go more then 43" due to small room.
     
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    Looks like Andrew was looking at the 55" versions. For the 43" not worth the 100 difference (arguably the direct-lit KU6000 is the better choice; but might suffer from dark corners, something you'd really have to see in a store or find some real pictures of this specific model). Several KU6000 vids on YouTube; 40" doesn't look to bad regarding dark corners; more noticeable on this 55" from the rtings review of the US KU6300.

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    For comparison the 55" edge-lit American KU7000

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    The US KU7000 seems to be the equivalent of the euro KU6400 and in 49" it has a Samsung VA panel available. So there might be a panel lottery for the 49" going on ...
     
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    FYI what the salesman says was not true, UHD tv's won't make HD look better, it will look the same, they will however make SD look worse.

    asfaik they both use VA panels so viewing angles would be the same.

    Differences lie in wide colour gamut for HDR, wireless ac instead of wireless n, a sat tuner and touch remote. Oh and the design differs too.

    Looks like whilst the KU6400 has a wider colour gamut, the KU6000 actually gets brighter, i'm presuming because its direct lit?

    If you're watching a lot of SD I would refrain from an UHD personally, go have a look in the store at some SD footage, I think you may be disappointed compared to UHD TVs.

    I remember a chap on here a while ago interested in buying one of the Sony UHD x8xxc tv's, he had his heart set on it until he went to the store and saw how much better SD looked on the cheaper FHD w8xxc. Naturally he went with the cheaper model.
     
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    So what can you guys recommend up to £500, would like to be smart as using a bit of netflix and want to get rid of my ps3 at the same time, also video playback from USB would be great. Oh just please not Sony.
     
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    I'm not sure that's right, I always saw whilst the J6200 had judder with films the J6300 didn't. That's why it got all the plaudits, it was a one off compared to the Samsung J6 series, even better than this year's K6 series.
     
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    Saw where? Rtings? The North American J6300 is the euro J6200 (the euro J6300 is curved) ... (and likewise their J6200 is J6100 in Europe, probably a renamed H6203 and whatever it was called the year before).
     
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    There's no point comparing those TVs to the NA market because our j6300 wasn't even sold there. Can't see any reviews of the J6240 here, nor the J6100. Yet there's raving reviews about the J6300. Unless for some reason Samsung just didn't send reviewers the flat J series TVs it looks to me like the J6300 is the only reliably good option. I would love to find a review of the others if you've seen any des.
     
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    The J6200 doesn't seem to have been made available in the UK but it is elsewhere in Europe. You discard the J6200 because you can only find UK reviews of the J6300? The J6240 is a facelift model of the J6200 and J6100 is indeed hard to find but it has been available in Germany. "There is no point comparing" NA models? (yet you regularly refer to Rtings)
    They are exactly the same, the UNJ6300 and UEJ6200. The HDTV Test reviews of the 32" only speaks of 24p Bluray playback and this is exactly the test the UNJ6300 did pass as well ... I don't even see much difference in the pre- and post-calibration graphs for the UNJ6300 and the UE32J63000 test (I would be very curious where you would have found the J6200 not passing the 24p judder test if not for Rtings).

    From Flatpanels: "The J6200 is more or less a flat variant of the J6300."

    Have actually found UK versions: a 60" J6240 and a 65" J6250
     
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    Where is the evidence that the KU6000 is direct lit? I believe it is edge lit like the KU6400. The KU6400 is pretty much the same spec as the KU6000 except that it has a satellite connection, a variation on colour processing and a different remote.

    I don't know where 'Which' get this idea from. Both the models have identical sound characteristics. Actually in practice I've found that the KU6000 reproduces the sound of day to day TV more than adequately. Agree that on a smaller 40" it doesn't have much separation of stereo, but that is to be expected. There are several sound settings, as there are on all Samsung TVs, to suit the type of material you are listening to. I use a AV system for movies.
     
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    Because the j6300 here is curved and there is no curved J series TV in the US. Rtings.com says the US j6300 is flat and judder free. Nowhere does It mention anywhere that it's the US version of the J6200 nor can I find any review of a J6240 or 50 that states it is judder free. You are assuming it's the same based on no evidence.

    Yes I use rtings before but only when comparing the same TV. This year's Samsung KS/UK series for example because they are listed as equivalent on the site. No such thing is evident towards the J6300 there being the same as the J6240 or 50 here and therefore unlike the J6300 we don't know if it's judder free.

    As for the 6000 being direct lit you only need to look at the design differences. The KU6400 is very thin whilst the 6000 is considerably larger at the back. According to rtings.com the us versions of the KU series also show the same thing.
     
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    'The site'? Rtings? Yes that makes it official :rolleyes:

    The US KS8000 is the euro KS7000, the US KS9000 is the euro KS8000, KU6300=KU6000, KU7000=KU6400 so of course there is no possibility the US J6300 is the euro J6200 :laugh:. Maybe they haven't been asked about it or these lowly models aren't worth special mentioning it ... (maybe you should post a comment on their website ... oh wait they don't allow questions from Europe/non-NA anymore :rolleyes:)

    Taking the UN55J6300 which was reviewed as an example:
    the (famous) TH01 panel in it has the following code LSF550HJ04-G,CY-GH055C
    PRODUCT LCD-AMLCD

    And for the UE55J6200 this is: PRODUCT LCD-AMLCD;LSF550HJ04-G,CY-GH055C

    Common knowledge if you visit the US AVS Forum is that US/ non-European Samsungs have a panel code listed on the box and sticker, like the aforementioned TH01. Another one for the 55J6300 is UH02 and the interesting bit for that one is CY-GH055CSLVCV/H,J6200,B
    PRODUCT LCD-SDC . A reference to the J6200 (quite likely the European as I've seen reference to the KU6400 with a KU7000 panel and they don't even have a KU6400 in North America). The UN55J6200 has different panels anyway ...
     
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    But you still don't know if the J6200 here is judder free whilst you have reviews of the J6300 actually undergone here, not in the US that state it are judder free. I find it strange that you are insisting that the J6200 here is judder free just like the J6300 when there is absolutely no info about it anywhere and no reviews unlike the J6300.
     
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    So it does have judder because there is no info about (/you haven't found anything in English about it) :laugh: "I always saw whilst the J6200 had judder ..." There is absolutely no info about it yet you boldly state you always saw mentioned it had judder :thumbsup: o_O. Like I said before the only judder test HDTV Test mentions the J6300 passing is 24p playback from a Bluray player (which the flat US J6300, that in appearance looks exactly like the UE J6200, also passes". From Rtings' comment section: "The J6300 is also able to play 24p content like bluray movies without judder, something the JU6500 have problems with.") whilst the AV Forums review doesn't even mention how it deals with 24p playback at all in their review nor do S21, or most other UK reviews (only Expertreviews mentions it as well).
    If you have ever seen a euro Samsung service menu screenshot you would notice it says 120hz so all euro '100hz' models are in fact 120Hz and have no reason not to be able to playback 24p without problems. The UE J6200 also has de-judder and de-blur in the menu (the latter of which apparently is one indication it is a 100hz model)

    Here is at least one UE J6200 review: Im Test: Samsung UE40J6250 mit Top-Bildqualität
     
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    Apart from this on the review:
    Samsung UE48J6300 HD TV Review
    Also from HDTV test review:
    Samsung UE32J6300 Curved TV Review

    So we know the J6300 doesn't have judder in movies whilst we still don't know if the J6200 does or not. I have tried to find more reviews of the J6200(6250 or whatever) but there's nowhere that has anything on 24p motion at all. Only post I can find is a german forum claiming all should be 100/120hz panels like you. I certainly hope so as it would mean another FHD option for those not ready for UHD yet.
     
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    Hi ade55,

    Did you ever buy either of the Samsungs? I'm also looking at the 43" versions of KU6000 and KU6400.
    The other recommendations (Sonys, above) are no longer available.
    In short, I'm in same boat. It needs to be no more than 43" and flat. We do most of our viewing in HD (Freesat, mkv), and would prefer a future proof TV
     

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