Smart Looking Floorstanders with Good Sound?

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  1. eastman3000

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    Hi Chaps

    Is this possible. I am looking for some smart looking (by this i mean high gloss black or similar) floor standers for around 3-£500. Some on the list are

    Monitor Audio Radius R270
    Tangent Evo 8
    Proac / PMC - Althouh these will probably be 2nd hand for this price range.

    My preference is looks over sound!!! (OMG I cant believe I said that)


    Any other contenders?
     
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    You won't get a PMC floorstander for less than £600ish.

    The GB1 is the cheapest at £1145 new. Like all truly good loudspeakers, it doesn't get revised every year and so it holds it's value well. The same would hold true for ProAc.

    MA Radius are obviously an option, but for a more grown up sound (admitedly sacrificing a bit of looks) then the Audio Pro Black Diamond and Quad 21L are worth a look.

    I know they're a bit above budget, but I struggling to think of really well finished floorstanders as an MA alternative under £500. The Quads in particular have to be seen to be believed. Seven coats of laquer apparently.:thumbsup:

    Russell
     
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    You might as the member above says have a look at the AudioPro range, they do a speaker at £450 called the Image 44 .A friend of mine bought a pair about a year ago and they sound great to both of us...and SWMBO loves them>
     
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    You might be able to pick up a pair of Mission Elegante E82 or E83 close to your budget. IIRC there were some in the classifieds recently and there are some on a well known auction website at the moment too.

    I have a pair of E83s (plus E80s, E8C and E8AS1) and I'm very pleased with them for music and AV.
     
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    I would seriously have a look at the Mission Elegante's, particularly the E83's...
    These have a lot of style with decent performance to boot.
    I considered the PMC & MA options myself, but I don't really like the 'Old monitor' style looks.
    I'm in the buying process of E82's(smaller brother of E83) right now btw...:D
     
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    How do the Elegantes compare sound-wise with the PMCs & MAs? Very little has been said on here about the Elegantes, yet they received What HiFi 'Best Speaker set over £2500 in 2004' (FWIW ;)).

    I've listened to some other speakers at the price point that the Elegantes are selling it and they don't compare in terms of sound quality and the build quality is in a different league. You can see why the E83s originally retailed for £2K.
     
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    The poor guy said 3 - £500 not thousand !!

    I'm a great fan of the Wharfedale EVO-2 series, evo2-30's are available for £300 from Superfi (on-line) at the moment.
     
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    I paid £679 for my pair of E83s. New, boxed, delivered etc...
     
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    :confused::eek::confused:What are on you on about???

    My Elegante E82's are £500-00 delivered!!!
     
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    Hi, just finished revamping my lounge/home cinema and upgraded from Mission 734 to E83 and 77C1 to E8C and must say they look fab as well as sound great especialy with SACD as well as movie sound tracks. Will be posting some pics soon once fully complete.
     
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    Hi Chaps!

    Thanks for the input! The Missions are a very nice speaker indeed. Ive seen the smaller model......very nicely made.

    Where would you get these from?

    PS Sorry for the delayed reply post!
     
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    There are plenty of places with the E80s:

    http://www.weymouthhifi.co.uk/website/mission/e80.htm is the cheapest I've seen.

    I got mine from Moorgate Acoustics, who were happy to price match and have the centre in stock and the E8AS1 sub for £249. Great service too!

    Not many places with the E82s and E83s in stock now though and the prices have crept up a little.
     
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    i'm also considering floorstanders to replacve my mission 753s.

    in general, are floorstanders a better bet in a 5.1 system for someone that listens to music as well as surround over a a satellite system (say kef or SVS)?

    i'd consider the surround package of the E range if so.
     
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    Nothing wrong with floorstanders for 5.1. But need to bear in mind with a sub the norm is to set the amp's crossover to 80Hz (or speakers to small) and so the sub does all the work below 80Hz from any other speaker. There are good reasons for this. So in 5.1 set up 70% of the bulk of a floorstander, and possibly a splattering of it's drivers (depending on design) are redundant. Ok so maybe nothing wrong with this and you could argue the "full range" floorstander is better for stereo than sat plus sub, but you do pay for what you aren't using.

    An alternative is a pair of quality music bias standmounts (sisters to the floorstanders you like?) and put more of your budget into the sub. For 5.1 this is pretty well guaranteed to give a better perofrmance over floorstanders/lesser sub and barely compromised for music. Indeed if the sub is really good music may well be better too.
     
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    thanks iain for your very informativre reply. can i ask what standmounts are?

    are they non-sats? because the SVS which i'm leaning towards are not small satellites and i have heard them in a small room and was impressed. i'm just nervous that for a larger room they may not cut it and even more, in stereo you just have two little boxes working with the sub.

    i have had the 753s for 10 years and i know it's time for a change, but i still love them:D but i need to move on and trust i make the right decision.

    deep down i know most things will probably sound more 'up to date' that my current set up. but better, hmm...
     
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    Your decision should be influenced by what you are going to use the system for and how your amp works.

    I have a pair of full range floor-standing fronts, but I spend a lot more time actively listening to stereo music on them than I do actively watching a movie. By actively, I mean taking time out to do it, rather than just plonking down in front of the telly, which is more like 50/50 with music.

    My processor has a 'direct' mode for full range stereo music and the front speakers are connected to a 150W per channel power amp. This is how I listen to music and why for me a good set of floorstanders at the front are important. They also produce really articulate fast bass and there are no holes in the upper bass to worry about because there is no crossover. I believe they sound better for music than a sub-sat combo would.

    For watching telly or a DVD the sub is active and the processor crosses over <80Hz to it rather than the fronts. The combination is still very effective for movies though, but (as Ian says) not necessarily any better than having a pair of standmounts at the front would be.

    In essence, the setup I have suits my usage very well and performs very well for movies AND music, rather than being optimised (or compromised) for one.
     
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    I had a pair of 770's through university, they were standmounts :). A standmount is just a smaller speaker that needs a stand to get to a normal listening height. In the 70's practically all speakers were standmounts, albeit some on seriously short stands!

    A satellite is just a bass limited design which needs a sub to extend bass frequencies. Sats can however be of the "Lifestyle" type with more emphasis on style than audio performance, these can give sats a bad name....

    The key is frequency range, a larger box produces deeper bass (lower frequencies), but that is about it. The floorstander is a relatively recent design trend, no doubting the convenience, but accoustically they are just large speakers. Although some lifestyle floorstanders are tall and skinny and accoustically are small speakers.

    The proliferation of floorstanders (which are pretty much the same size) has IMO confused many as to how large a speaker needs to be. A speaker the size of a shoe box (bookshelf/standmount territory) will push down to 50-60Hz and in so doing will cover 90% of the audible range. When using a sub it is the norm to push all bass <80Hz from all other speakers to the sub. Bass is tricky to produce well and a specialist device (sub) will often do it better than the bottom end of a floorstander (better as in tighter, faster and importantly deeper).

    So in a specialist 5.1 array, like the SVS (and M&K) you get speakers that focus on the frequencies they need to, and nothing more, and therefore can be small for no other reason than they don't need to be large.

    And don't confuse size with power, volume or "room filling". A floorstander will do this no better than it's sibling standmount for all frequencies >say 80Hz. The sub bass gives the wow factor, and using a standmount/bookshelf/sat with quality sub will give outstanding results.
     
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    IMHO the key differentiator with floorstander is the ability to do the upper bass - the 50Hz punch and because they're working in stereo to retain an excellent stereo image.

    My Mission E83s each have two 6.5" drivers and three 6.5" auxilliary bass radiators, which is equivalent in area to a 15" driver. With an in room response down to 30Hz they certainly move some air - in stereo, but are also very fast and articulate. I don't actually use my subwoofer for music at all.
     
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    Sound imaging, whether stereo or multi has nothing to do with deep bass, which is non directional. This is why the 80Hz crossover point is chosen. So get the best non-coloured, non bass interferred >80Hz speaker you can to maximise surround imaging - then couple with a sub.

    If you're into stereo then a large "full range" speaker can be better than small plus sub. It can also be a lot worse too. To dispel the probable belief of those who have endured my posts I am not anti large speakers and indeed have a fine pair :D. But understanding what each speaker in a multi array does helps us understand what you do need and importantly what you don't need.
     
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    thanks guys, sorry to hijack the thread but thought it relavent and feel better equipped with my purchasing now.

    the question is though, do i listen to more music or watch more dvds?

    i do believe it is films so thank you for leading me in the right direction. 5.1 it is then:thumbsup: apologise even more now for hijacking the thread:D
     
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    80Hz is pretty arbitrary though (apart from being the THX crossover frequency). There's nothing magic about sound below 80Hz that is suddenly more disruptive to higher frequencies or suddenly less directional. Certainly not with speakers designed to reproduce low frequencies, unlike a small satellite that cannot reproduce anything below (say) 100Hz where these low frequencies are just adding distortion. I wouldn't call a lack of frequencies below 80Hz uncoloured either!

    Personally, I think that stereo music sounds best - particularly in terms of imaging - from two (full range) speakers.

    Glad to hear that you have a fine pair yourself ;)
     

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