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Small HD TV for my xbox 360

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  1. Kong

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    Hi, im new to the forum, and have a few questions to ask:

    I intend buying the xbox 360, and want to view games at their full potential, therefore i need to buy a High Definition TV before it comes out.

    Im new to High Definition and dont know the technical details.

    I want to buy a HD TV, which isnt humongous, as it is going in my room, although it would be nice to have a 60incher! I would say a fairly nice size is between 17-21inches.
    Does anybody know and recommend any?

    It doesnt have to be the best make or anything, just as long as it will play high definition.

    When buying a HD TV what do i need to look out for?

    are there any differences between the qualities of video or sound?

    any future-proof tips? as HD is new to this country and im guessin HD has developed a lot in coutries such as America and Japan. When shopping for High Definition TVs

    how can i tell its a true high definition TV as i understand there is a lot of confusion?

    is the resolution of the TV an indication of high Definition?

    Im not looking to spend megabucks as im only a student.
     
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    The problem I've found is the lower end LCDs etc don't have thing slike component inputs which is the problem. Not sure if the XBox360 will be able to output to a proper computer signal, in which case it might be better looking to computer LCDs at that size? There might be component to VGA convertors as well.

    Otherwise I reckon you're looking at a min of 23" for the component inputs but I could be wrong :)

    For an Xbox you need a min of 1280x720 as it's resolution as it'll output 720p as a minimum, sound is up to you, you could stick it through your stereo for better sound more than likely.
     
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    :hiya:

    There will be a vga lead coming out for the 360, seen it on the official xbox site.
     
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    Yep - though the picture isn't a VGA lead is it, neither is the SCART picture a picture of a SCART lead. They all look like composite leads to me in the artwork... (Though this doesn't, of course, mean they won't be available, just that the artwork isn't yet!)
     
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    Is the Relisys RLT1730 17'' LCD TV not Hi Def ready?
     
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    No because it has no HD capable inputs, only SCART and VGA.

    The Samsung 730MW is probably the smallest (at 17" widescreen) HD-ready LCD (as claimed by the manufacturer). It has component and DVI-HDCP inputs (as well as the usual SCART, S-video, composite and VGA). Only problem is I'm not sure anyone on this forum has confirmed that it does indeed accept HD signals over the component and DVI-HDCP inputs.
     
  9. Kong

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    i have a Dell 2001FP monitor.its not widescreen but has a maximum resolution of 1600x1200. is that considered HD ready?

    could some of my initial thread questions be answered, please.
     
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    HD Ready is a specification devised by the EICTA which is a trade organisation and should cover all the upcoming HD sources such as consoles, pre-recorded media and broadcasts.
    The resolution is only one part of the specification, the connection methods are just as much of an issue so they specifiy componenet and HDMI (or DVI with HDCP). Since future HD source are likely to require content control having a HDCP compliant input is essential.

    In the case of the Dell 2001FP it does not have any HDCP inputs nor component so wouldn't be classed as HD Ready so no practical for a domestic display but still great for PC based HD video. Although that may be in question depending upon how content protection is handled on blu-ray and hd-dvd rom drives for PC use.



    There are few small screen size HD Ready panels on the market probably down to the monitor market and the fact that the impact of HD on a small screen viewed at a reasonable distance is not very big.

    If a display is suitable for HD and is well future proofed then it will carry the HD Ready logo which sets minimum requirments for resolution and connections. There are plenty of displays still on the market but do not meet the HD Ready sepcs yet still will handle the future HD sources although adaptors and some fudging may be required. For more specific info asking questions in the relevant DLP,LCD, CRT and Plasma forums will prove beneficial.

    You may find that for the next year or so that HDCP (content managment on HDMI and some DVI) is less of an issue so you may get away with a lower spec and cheaper display if money is tight right now.
     
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    As I understand it Samsung has a deal with M$ for the display stands for the X360 and will be offering deals on HD capable sets when bought with a X360 or a free one with the set. I forget the details but I am sure that Samsung or M$ will be doing package deals on the screen/console to get the most out of your next-gen gaming experience.
     
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    where can i find details on this samsung and xbox360 thing?

    also if my dell 2001fp has a DVI connection will that not work with the xbox?

    also will the fact that its not widescreen hinder viewing xbox360 HD?
     
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    X360 HD is via analogue HD at the moment.

    The deal thing I read about on http://www.teamxbox.com forums. It was a while ago. I'll have another look and see if I can find anything recent about it.
     
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    A colleague at work has just got one of these

    She had it delivered to work so we all had a look. Ok its 650 but I was amazed at the connectivity - Component, HDMI, everything. Looked very well put together too. She using it with Sky Plus and DVD and recommends it. Certainly covers all the bases for Xbox 360. (ordered mine on Friday :thumbsup: )
     
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    What is it about the Samsung UK website and it's lack of info about some displays that people in the UK have seen and placed orders for!

    Nice looking LCD, can you confirm there is a seperate component input, a few websites don't include that in the spec but then again one doesn't even mention the HDMI socket:)
     
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    There is seperate component (analogue) and HDMI. Here's a more thorough spec list. Better price too.

    I'm moving soon and fancy one of these for the bedroom, funds permitting.
     
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    are there any tvs of the same nature but supports the 1080i or 1080p?

    are these tvs a lot rarer than the 720p tvs?

    will they be a lot more expensive? is it worth getting one of these over the 720p tvs? i mite buy a ps3 as well so that means i will be using the same tv, which WILL need 1080i

    also are there any differences in buying a TV from the US? what would i need to check and make sure of?

    also i checked out the recommended samsung model in previous posts, and wanted to know the difference between the 2 models with B and BDX on the end. all i can see is a digital tuner. is there anything else? also what is a digital tuner, and what is it used for? please excuse my dumbness!
     
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    is there any difference in quality using HDCP or HDMI? what is the difference?
    ive heard a lot about DVI, HDCP and HDMI. what is all about, and what should i look for in a tv?
     
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    The current EBU broadcast specs do not include 1080p and even if they did it will be a long time before that format would be adopted by the broadcasters (cost issues).
    Of course the next gen media has the capacity for carrying 1080p and when displays both support and accept that progressive resolution you will be at the ultimate for the current platform.

    However there are few 1920*1080 panels on the market and of those they are expensive thanks to the lack of competition, lower sales volumes and manufacturing costs. Panels that can accept a native 1080p source are even thinner on the ground probably due to the formats lack of support.

    The vast majority of HD displays will show 1280*720p natively and that is a big step up from PAL and with a lot of HD being produced at that resolution you will have plenty too watch not to forget all HD sources can be scaled to match the panels native resolution. Prices are good as well and there is plenty of choice but like all things you can wait and get cheaper and better displays:)

    Importing a US TV is not a great option. The costs, warranty issues, power requirments and shipping all make it unattractive.

    There is a thread on the Sammy in the Television forum, worth a read.

    HDMI is the connection method for digital sources/displays.
    HDCP is the method used to protect the digital content and requires noth source and destination to be able to "talk" to eachother.

    If you want a HD display then you must get one that carries the HD Ready logo and then confirm it's spec since not all retailers are being totally truthful when they use the logo:(
    With the HD Ready logo you will get a display with both component and HDMI (or DVI with HDCP) both of which supports 50/60hz inputs as well as a resolution that meets the minimum HD requirment of 720 vertical lines.
     
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    My panel res is 1024 x 768, does that mean im screwed?
     
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    No as your screen will scale the incoming signal to match the screen
     
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    But does that mean that it wont be truly high def?
     
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    What isn't hi-def? The screen or theXbox?
     
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    The screen...
     
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    The screen MUST meet ALL the following criteria to be called "HD READY"

    at least 720 lines
    accepting 720p and 1080i over HDMI/DVI and Component
    must use HDCP over HDMI/DVI if content provider requires it
    must accept 720p and 1080i at 50hz
     
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    so it is vertical lines that matter? thats ok then!
     
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    ive heard a lot about DVI, HDCP and HDMI. what are they and what do they connect?, and what should i look for in a tv? what is better DVI or HDMI? its all confusing for me as i cant find anywhere to explain all these things

    If i have DVI on my monitor and it has a max resolution of 1600x1200 does that mean i can use my xbox 360 with it?
     

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