For me the extra £10 pm they want just because I dont subscibe to Movies or Sports channels is really annoying. I like the latest movies ( hence I rent ) and want the best possible sound DTS/DD etc which is still better than SKY+ DD output IMHO. Besides given the wealth of good american shows on SKY1/E4 these days I wouldn't find the time for SKY movies. Its a bit off that they want an extra monthly subsciption to watch and record stuff you are already paying to watch. Also reluctant to fork out too much on SKy+ as I'm likely to go the whole hog with their HD service next year which will require a SKY+HD box. If they charge to much extra subscription the take up will be extremely slow and its not as though they will have a huge potential customer base given loads of folks are buying the affordable SD screens already and I cant see them buying another any time soon.