Sky's a rip off I reckon.

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  1. rich tee

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    I've just cancelled my Sky Subscription.
    £40 for Dolby pro logic films, channels that don't work properly and having to pay a maintainence charge on top just adds insult to injury.
    All worked ok until my first 12 months was up.
    I cancelled it and the next day every problem channel I had mysteriously worked on first time of asking.

    The operator I spoke to said Sky would send out my final bill for me to settle.
    So I cancelled my Direct Debit and when I received my invoice today I got hit with a £4 administration charge.
    Sky really take the michael.
    When you think about how things get cheaper to buy in the shops, mobile phone companies can offer attractive packages and freebies, Sky seem intent on wringing out as much as they can from their customers.

    Well enough is enough.
    The sky is no longer the limit.

    Rich Tee.
     
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    I couldn't agree more.
     
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    Totally agree - I posted this in another thread, but applies here to.

    I'm cancelling $ky in Jan, £55 per month (£660 per year) for cheap and nasty reality and game shows, and endless repeats of repeats is way too much - Sky has really gone downhill in the last couple of years while subsciption rises are extortionate (Summer 2000 the basic package was £12pm, from Jan it's £20 - so a 60% rise in 3.5 years) and IMO the mirror sub is a complete rip-off - it's like the BBC charging a second licence fee if you want to have BBC 1 & 2 on different TV's at the same time.
     
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    It never fails to puzzle me why people pay so much in the first place when surely they knew what they were buying. After all you say you are paying £55 a month which I assume includes the full movie and sports packages which you must have wanted and perhaps a mirror sub which again is not an essential service and all those could have been cancelled months ago.
    Don't get me wrong, you have the right to spend your money how you wish and I fully support the view that if you consider a product/service to be poor value then you get rid of it.


    I have to say it's very naive to look at what the prices were a few years ago and then compare them to what they are now and claim rip-off or greed as between the launch of SKY D through to the end of 2002 SKY were losing money by the millions every month. The debt hit £1.8 billion before it started to paid off using profits the platform started to generate this year, no company as both TW and NTL have demonstrated can manage a debt like that without seriously risking it's very survival. That would indicate to me that subscription/advertising revenues etc were simply not set high enough in the early years to cover the operating costs of the platfrom.


    Yes having to pay £10 or £12 or £15 (Depending upon the deal) for a mirror sub is hard to justify ( I choose not too and have gone the FTV and Freeview route) but SKY are a business and if people are willing to pay the extra fee then fair play to them. Lets not forget one of the proposals a few years ago for the license fee was that is should be applied to individual TV's and not households:)
     
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    Good point.
    I think it's when I thought about the total cost each year for the packages, it doesn't offer any value for money.
    If you don't need wages and you have a flash system to enjoy it all on and you can laze round your abode at leisure,
    then I'm sure it must be very thrilling to be able to watch your favourite popstar doing a concert in your living room.

    But a few DVD rentals a week, freeview and a quality mix of homelife and it seems not comparable in terms of ££££s spent.

    I only really got Sky for the cricket seasons and winter tours, I don't think I'll miss Charles Co-vile.
    Rich tee.
     
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    Sky offers a first class system.Get Sky+ and get 5.1 movies instead of DPL.
    Norwich Union do an insurance policy for about £13 per month for EVERY SINGLE household appliance.Sky is covered,as is fridge,freezer,washing machine,dvd player,vcr,tv,dish washer,cooker.So if you are thinking of extended warranties on Sky or other home appliance,ring NU-much better value and peace of mind.
    Sky charges will always rise,just as the cost of their contracts and running the business do.But so does everything-unavoidable.
    £40 is a lot to shell out for something you don't fully use.Why not go for a cheaper package,and bump up again when things improve.You need only subscribe to movies or sport for one month at a time.Go for it if there is something you want-switch off again after a month
     
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    We like Sky on this forum! well I do anyway. I couldn't imagine being without it to be perfectly honest. What package do I have? simple family pack, which I use to good effect. I bought Sky to get away from sport. You know how the BBC for instance wipe all the schedules just because England are playing Latvia at tiddlywinks or some such thing. Well I just select Sky and watch my favourite documentary channels, History or Discovery channel etc. which I enjoy immensely. I have Freeview, however, with only the one doc channel I would find this a poor substitute. At the end of the day it depends what type of programmes you enjoy which will determine your decision of which programme provider you choose.
     
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    I can't understand this at all. I pay 31 pounds a month for the Premium package minus the films (now that we don't have to pay for the Sky subs), and have Sky in three different rooms. Admittedly, they all have to have the mirror sub, so they all have the same channels. Why on earth is anyone paying 55 or 60 quid a month and then coming on here complaining that it's not worth the money and they're cancelling their subscriptions!?

    Are these people reps for Freeview or ntl/Telewest hoping to bump up their commissions?

    BTW, I got Sky to escape to the sport!
     
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    Can only now get rid of the mirror sub as we were tied to a 12 month contract for it - it was necessary due others in the house wanting to watch different things at the same time.

    I don't think it's naive to look at price rises, as a 60% rise in a period when inflation never went above 3.5% pa is too high, especially when the level of service has dropped considerably. I've been a Sky customer since 1990, and the standard of programing now to what it was like is putrid, it was finally brought home to me this week when I looked through next weeks TV guide to highlight what I wanted to watch aqnd found hardly anything new worth watching.

    For example two of my (one time) favorite channels Sky One and UKGold have gone so poor of late - Sky One used to show all the latest US series, now it it's home to endless repeats of Star Trek, Stargate, Buffy and The Simpsons (all shows I like but there's only so many times I want to watch them) and cheap and nasty reality and games shows, and soft porn. UKGold has gone from repeating clasic old shows, to repeating more recent ones endlessly and soaps.

    Granted Sky's debt's may have been high, but a lot of that was down to them trying to get a monopoly - buying out BSB, and getting a stranghold on every major sporting event they could to force people to pay if they wanted to watch it. I can remember when Movies on Sky were on roughly the same time as released on sell-thru, now it's getting later and later, not helped by the box office channels. Bavk then the movies were £16pm, but the basic channels were free, which seeing as they carry numerous ad breaks should still be free to air and if they were ad free I wouldn't find a monthly charge so objectionable, being allowed to just subscribe to what I actuially watch would be good too.

    Yes, atm I've got Sports and movies, I took Sports at the start of the football season for Premiership coverage after Portsmouth's promotion, but that has been a dissapointment and very poor value for money as Sky rather show the same elite few all the time, and I thoiught that with 11 movie channels there might be something decent to watch but unfortunately most have been out on DVD for over a year before Sky get show them, and they pad out with cheap B and TV movies.

    I've stuck with Sky purely because where I am there is no other option - no cable company nor a freeview signal, but now I've decided enough is enough, and I'll just take the free channels through the digibox, now that there's no contractual ties.
     
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    From Jan Sports + Movie Package is £40pm + £15pm for a mirror sub. Unfortunately there is no option to just take the channels required.

    Great, you're happy with Sky, I was for 12 years, but as I said above, the price rises aren't matched by an increase in the level of output (quality wise), rather it's a decrease. Surely the point of a forum is air your opinion, not just to worship at the feet of the great god Murdoch, sorry if my opinon isn't what you like to hear.
     
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    Very true, unfortunatel, Sky is the only option where I am - no freeview, no cable and poor reception on BBC2, Ch4 and no Ch5.

    If I'm honest, for all it's faults, I'd have probably had to stick with Sky if only for the odd new series, but having been BB enabled for 2 month's now and having found all the new series for download, thats not the case anymore, and I don't feel like paying even the £20pm for the same old crap all the time - pretty much all the channels I used to like have dropped in quailty of late - SkyOne, UKGold, Sci-Fi and Bravo in particular, I will miss Hallmark, The History Channel and Discovery Civilization though.
     
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    In 1990 Sky and BSB merged-it was not a buy out.Channels were in single figures then so how can you possibly say that the current 300+ channel service is poorer.
    Its not Sky's fault that movies arrive to buy quicker than they can show them,its down to the movie companies wanting more revenue from dvd sales as the vhs rental market slowly dies.We have all seen downloaded programme material and the quality is crap.I wonder if any offer stereo let alone surround sound.
    Have to agree about UK Gold.Even with a timeshift version and a second output,they are simply BBC1+6 months-only without lovely 16:9 pictures
     
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    No objections to you voicing your opinion, and of course Sky are a load of money-grabbing ruthless b*stards, so I hardly worship at Murdoch's feet (either father or son). I suppose I am so addicted to Sky+ that I couldn't live without it, thus am dependent on Sky, which is what they wanted. However, when I look through my Sky Planner, most of the shows on there are the terrestrials plus E4, BBC3 and 4, the Sky Sports channels and Malcolm In The Middle on Sky One.

    I agree about UK Gold - what a sickening wasted opportunity that channel is. The BBC has so much great stuff in its archives, but UK Gold repeats the repeats of the repeats. So safe and dull. At least UKG2 are showing some better programmes.
     
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    Actualy you'd be surprised - the quality (of the shows I've downloaded - ST - Enterprise S3, Buffy S7, JAG S9, Stargate S7, NCIS S1, The Simpsons S15) is every bit as good Sky, what I've had has been stereo (can't say whether 5.1 or not as I haven't analysed it - but have watched on the PC TFT screen and burn't to DVD to watch on the TV - a lot is W/S too), plus with the added advantages of no ads, no channel ident and most importantly no sodding red dot.
     
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    I think whats done it for me with Sky, is I looked through next weeks TV guide to highlight what I want to watch next week and it hit me that there's hardly anything on the Sky channels that I want to see that I haven't seen countless times before, and I'm just re-watching stuff out of force of habit.

    I've earmarked Jan 7th as the day it goes, as Portsmouth last live match (that I know of) is Jan 6th, so I might as well keep it for the 4 Pompey games between now and then, and record a few films onto DVD over Christmas.
     
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    Well I certainly can't argue with that, any service that no longer provides what you want or at a price you consider good value should be cancelled.
    I also totally agree about SKY1, it's a pale shadow of it's former self but thankfully other channels are carrying the programming I like so as long as Hallmark, E4 or SciFi are doing the business I keep smiling:)
     
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    First when I got Sky, I had Sky World because that was the package that I had to take for my subscription deal. (at the time, I wasn't aware that I could downgrade)

    After a while, I realized that I wasn't watching enough Sport or Movies to justify the cost, and downgraded to the Family Pack.

    For the record, I was very satisfied with that for about a year. But in that span I saw the amount of new (or rather, new to me) programming that I was interested in just continued to drop. Maybe I'd just seen all the stuff that interested me. Even the History/Discovery channels seemed to be showing more and more repeats. It got to the point where I wasn't watching anything on SkyOne, and just a single show on E4. (Six Feet Under) The majority of the shows I watched were free channels.

    The upcoming price increase was just enough to convince me to leave. Had the price stayed the same, I probably would have stuck with it for another 6 months or so, in the hopes that programming picked up.

    I'll miss a few channels, but not as much as I'd miss £20 a month. :p
     
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    Yes, Sky has gone down hill (down market too ?) but then again so has BBC1,BBC2 ITV C4. I'd hate to be stuck with just those channels to choose for an evenings viewing !
    I've been told that I can't get freeview in my area so am forced to have Sky.
     
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    To say that Sky "merged" with BSB is a bit like saying that killer whales "merge" with sealions.

    I've only quite recently (<2 years ago) acquired anything satellite based, but I always thought it was a shame about BSB. For starters their hardware was significantly superior to Sky's. They had their own dedicated satellite (instead of renting space on Astra) and the transmission was much higher power than Sky. You could get good reception setting up a "squariel" indoors with a double-glazed window in the signal path. Try doing that with a Sky setup at the time.

    And Sky didn't treat BSB subscribers very well after the "merger", either.
     
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    BSB used D-MAC which offered virtually digital quality pictures long before SD came along.
    It was a merger in financial and shareholder terms,but all the BSB people could see that the service was on to a loser more than ITV Digital ever was.BSB ws stuck with 5 channels,that COULD have gone to 10 maximum.But even though Sky was still offering about the same number,Astra satellite space was virtually unlimited.The BSB shareholders would have gone under had they not merged.As it was just about 6 months after it began,you can see how large their mistakes were.
    I subscribed to both and the only downer was the closure of the Galaxy Channel.Sky even swapped over 31 west equipment for Astra set ups free of charge.
    Only the viewers could see that BSB and ITV Digital were doomed.The people running it did not have a clue until it was too late.
    Having a dedicated satellite for 5 or 10 channels was a preposterous idea.
    The BSB equipment worked for 2 more years and D-MAC was preferable to PAL.But it made a good doorstop after that.
     
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    I cancelled $ky after getting really peeed off with the programming, it has become dire and I couldn't take any more. Then I went back to my motorised setup and was surprised by the amount of decent channels on other satellites and now I'm happy again :) and I don't pay anything! You don't realise just how much programming is out there, we only ever see the same old repeated crap on the $ky platform, oh and I'm SICK and TIRED of programmes about the war and sharks!!!! (had to get that rant in!)

    :D
     
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    What is meant by 'Motorised Set Up.'?

    Rich tee.
     
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    rich tees., it means a person has a motorised dish that u can move from sat to sat and with a bit of know how u can pick up quite a lot of other channels. The sky box is no good for a motorised system. A humax irc 5400 patched is very very good.

    hope this helps

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    Thanks.
    it took me ages to work out what IMO stood for.

    Enough said...

    rich tee.
     
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    Mattk,

    Could you tell which are these decent channels on other satellites.
    Or do you mean other providers with smartcard ?
    Because I think there is not very happening on the FTA channels unless you're German or Turkish but no enghlish speaking channels worth looking at out there.

    But maybe I am missing something.
     
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    I dont get those people that say the price increases by Sky are okay. If sky had incresed the quality of the picture on their channels this would be much better and i would be prepared to justify price rises for that but what is the point of keep on adding rubbish shopping channels and useless programming. Some of the picture quality on Sky is a disgrace. We are going downhill in that respect!!!!!!!!


    My two cents

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    No one is saying they enjoy paying more but speaking for myself I understand why prices go up and don't feel the need to proclaim to all and sundry that the service is a rip-off or SKY are greedy, it's just not that simple in the real world.

    PQ on SKY's premium channels is pretty good (Always room for improvment of course) and SKY1 would benefit from a drop in compression and better masters at times (Malcolm in the Middle has looked very poor recently).
    I live in hope that OFCOM when it goes active will look into laying down some minimum quality standards for mpegII broadcasting but when the BBC can't be arsed to set the standard then what hope from the commercial channels.

    Important point, SKY only control around 20 or so channels on the platform and have no say in how much compression other broadcasters use nor have they the power to stop channels from buying capacity from SES or Eutelsat and launching a service. Infact SKY are legally bound to provide an EPG slot to any channel that has been approved by the UK regulators.
     
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    There's always Freeview. If you don't like Sky, don't buy it.

    I like it and I think it's worht the money so I continue my subscription. If I didn't, I wouldn't.

    Maybe I'm missing something but it seems simple to me.
     
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    If we dont point out the faults in the system then there will never be any improvements. When will the price rices ever stop then? My wages dont rise at the same rate Sky's subscription does. And another fact if their were other operators, i mean something to challenge sky movies, sky sports e.t.c then it would be better for all of us and help to stop these ridiculous price rises. I am for one am going to cancel in January when the price goes up.

    With respect to the quality , the bloddy goverment should state that any channel that wishes to broadcast in the UK should meet certain minimum mpeg 2 data rates. If they dont then they cant broadcast to the UK. Simple.
     
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    What we need is quality, not quantity, at a fair price. £480 a year for all that old rubbish. Every teeny bop music channel is the same, and another thing ...
     

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