Skyfall 4K Blu-ray Review & Comments

UMAR 3:16

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Awesome review. If only it had 3D audio
 

Winnie1221

Active Member
Yes I doubt i'll invest in this to be honest even if the picture is as good as Cas says. The decision to not include object based soundtrack is a mistake, even if the 5.1 soundtrack is good.

But something that does still confuse me (and nobody from avforums has commented on) is how they come up with the 'Overall' score.....

This rightly got an overall score of 9/10, getting 35/40 - which is (8.75/10 - rounded up to 9/10)

But yesterday Leon only got an 8/10 despite getting 37/40 marks (9.25/10 but ended up with 8/10)?!?!

I just don't understand the logic of how they come up with the 'overall' score?!
 

Evinger

Well-known Member
Thanks for the Review Cas. Really don't need the others, (Have Casino Royale on Blu-ray), so I'll wait until this turns up "Solo" to check it out
 

iainl7

Well-known Member
But something that does still confuse me (and nobody from avforums has commented on) is how they come up with the 'Overall' score.....

This rightly got an overall score of 9/10, getting 35/40 - which is (8.75/10 - rounded up to 9/10)

But yesterday Leon only got an 8/10 despite getting 37/40 marks (9.25/10 but ended up with 8/10)?!?!

I just don't understand the logic of how they come up with the 'overall' score?!
There's a comment in the Leon thread now; not sure if it was already there when you posted. Overall scores are not an average, but a judgement of the package as a whole; that film is a good presentation of what's on the disc, but it's hard to justify more than 8/10 when it's missing the (vastly superior, in my view) theatrical cut that is also present on the US release.
 

Casimir Harlow

Blu-ray Reviewer
Yes I doubt i'll invest in this to be honest even if the picture is as good as Cas says. The decision to not include object based soundtrack is a mistake, even if the 5.1 soundtrack is good.

But something that does still confuse me (and nobody from avforums has commented on) is how they come up with the 'Overall' score.....

This rightly got an overall score of 9/10, getting 35/40 - which is (8.75/10 - rounded up to 9/10)

But yesterday Leon only got an 8/10 despite getting 37/40 marks (9.25/10 but ended up with 8/10)?!?!

I just don't understand the logic of how they come up with the 'overall' score?!
Ah that's not true, it's been asked and answered several times (not least in the Leon thread) mate. Don't get caught up in the numbers, an inferior release is an inferior release.
 

T1berious

Active Member
I'm sure this has been answered before but i don't understand why from a 35mm source they can't just go straight to a 4K digital transfer? It might be a dumb question but I've seen 5k original > 2k intermediate > 4k upscale? Why?
 

crabby09

Active Member
I just don't understand the logic of how they come up with the 'overall' score?!
Honestly... I appreciate where you're coming from, but as multiple people have answered I feel obligated to shine a slightly different light on your worries - You'll be hard pressed to find a better reviewer than Cas anywhere (and I mean quite literally anywhere) on the planet so question less and appreciate/enjoy more. I promise you'll come away a lot more satisfied. :)
 

BOFH_UK

Active Member
Intensely annoying that they've only put out the four films as a single box set as this is the only one I'd really consider double dipping for. Even more annoyingly it seems to be as good as you'd hope given the source material! Really hope they come to their senses on this one but considering there's at least one film in the collection that's going to struggle to shift units on its own I wouldn't be surprised if we're stuck with this for a while....
 

iainl7

Well-known Member
I'm sure this has been answered before but i don't understand why from a 35mm source they can't just go straight to a 4K digital transfer? It might be a dumb question but I've seen 5k original > 2k intermediate > 4k upscale? Why?
To get from the camera negative to a finished film you've got to turn the (rather flat looking) raw information into the dynamic look the film's colourist chooses, add in any post-production effects and so on. To recreate all that over again at a higher resolution just for the disc is like trying to perform a complete restoration of an old film at best, or practically remaking it if there are digital effects that were originally created at 2k and you don't still have backup files of the render objects and the (possibly 20 years out of date) software that used them.

That's why if you go and watch things like Babylon 5 or Buffy on streaming your pristine HD remaster suddenly goes all blurry in any shot with digital effects; they were originally created at SD resolution and despite having the old 35mm footage to restore for anything live action they can't re-do the effects work.
 

Mike255

Active Member
To get from the camera negative to a finished film you've got to turn the (rather flat looking) raw information into the dynamic look the film's colourist chooses, add in any post-production effects and so on. To recreate all that over again at a higher resolution just for the disc is like trying to perform a complete restoration of an old film at best, or practically remaking it if there are digital effects that were originally created at 2k and you don't still have backup files of the render objects and the (possibly 20 years out of date) software that used them.

That's why if you go and watch things like Babylon 5 or Buffy on streaming your pristine HD remaster suddenly goes all blurry in any shot with digital effects; they were originally created at SD resolution and despite having the old 35mm footage to restore for anything live action they can't re-do the effects work.
I agree in general with what you say, although they did recreate a lot of the special effects in HD for the blu-rays of Star Trek The Next Generation, with stunning results from the episodes I’ve watched of the box set.
 

iainl7

Well-known Member
I agree in general with what you say, although they did recreate a lot of the special effects in HD for the blu-rays of Star Trek The Next Generation, with stunning results from the episodes I’ve watched of the box set.
That's true - that was a -lot- of money though. More practical going forward is that more films are getting 4k DI in the first place.
 

BrightonChris

Distinguished Member
The worst of the Craig films for me. Although, aside from Casino Royale, probably my most watched of the Craig films. The genius of Deakins brings me back.
 

Sandyb01

Active Member
Honestly... I appreciate where you're coming from, but as multiple people have answered I feel obligated to shine a slightly different light on your worries - You'll be hard pressed to find a better reviewer than Cas anywhere (and I mean quite literally anywhere) on the planet so question less and appreciate/enjoy more. I promise you'll come away a lot more satisfied. :)
If reviews are in part subjective, surely reviewing the reviewer is the same?

More seriously, he (at least here) reviews such a narrow range of releases, I'd politely suggest your assertion is a little incredulous.

Not that I have an issue with Cas, he comes across as fairy sensible.
 

Casimir Harlow

Blu-ray Reviewer
If reviews are in part subjective, surely reviewing the reviewer is the same?

More seriously, he (at least here) reviews such a narrow range of releases, I'd politely suggest your assertion is a little incredulous.

Not that I have an issue with Cas, he comes across as fairy sensible.
Don't dispute the subjectivity. But I *try* to be as "fairly sensibly objective" as I can notwithstanding the occasional rant about Blofeld's lack of socks and insane backwards planning.

And besides, a reviewer's only as good as the readers who read his reviews, and that's where I've struck gold with this forum; there are a lot of kindred spirits and - even when we don't agree - everybody is generally very nice about it discussion-wise (except when it comes to maths on scores, that really hits an OCD nerve).

My question would be over your definition of 'narrow'. At 1 a day, about 365 days a year, for about 20 years now, I'm doing my best here! I mean, is it possible for one human being to review any more? Without, say, splicing himself with a fly (we know how that turned out) and watching multiple TVs, The Architect-style.

If you're saying I don't review *everything* then you're damn right, I haven't quite achieved machine-like AI sentience yet. But that's cause I'm waiting for Judgment Day, and they keep pushing the date back.
 

Gareth W

Active Member
The worst of the Craig films for me. Although, aside from Casino Royale, probably my most watched of the Craig films. The genius of Deakins brings me back.

Really? Slightly bizarre as it's very well regarded (rightly so IMO) and not without good reason!

Essential purchase when the release with DTS X/Atmos comes along in 2020
 

Jim Di Griz

Distinguished Member
If reviews are in part subjective, surely reviewing the reviewer is the same?

More seriously, he (at least here) reviews such a narrow range of releases, I'd politely suggest your assertion is a little incredulous.

Not that I have an issue with Cas, he comes across as fairy sensible.
Uhhhh….so Frozen review coming up then Cas? :D
 

Sandyb01

Active Member
Don't dispute the subjectivity. But I *try* to be as "fairly sensibly objective" as I can notwithstanding the occasional rant about Blofeld's lack of socks and insane backwards planning.

And besides, a reviewer's only as good as the readers who read his reviews, and that's where I've struck gold with this forum; there are a lot of kindred spirits and - even when we don't agree - everybody is generally very nice about it discussion-wise (except when it comes to maths on scores, that really hits an OCD nerve).

My question would be over your definition of 'narrow'. At 1 a day, about 365 days a year, for about 20 years now, I'm doing my best here! I mean, is it possible for one human being to review any more? Without, say, splicing himself with a fly (we know how that turned out) and watching multiple TVs, The Architect-style.

If you're saying I don't review *everything* then you're damn right, I haven't quite achieved machine-like AI sentience yet. But that's cause I'm waiting for Judgment Day, and they keep pushing the date back.
A reviewer needs an audience of similar mind without question, and its evident you have succeeded in that respect here. As for questions of scope, I only see those reviews published here, so if I'm missing something, my bad.

From what I do see here though, I'd make two observations. Covering both TV and movies is a tough task, especially with the avalanche of scripted TV dramas across platforms. Personally I think that does covering neither medium justice, forcing choices or selectivity that will work for some, and not others.

I'm clearly in the latter category, with little interest in the latest conveyor belt Netflix release, which seem to take up a lot of the TV reviews here, nor any interest in superhero franchises.

That all said, I make no judgment about what may or may not be your personal preferences, as I understand you have to cater to your audience. It's very difficult to cover everything, and even larger scale publications, be it the Guardian, Telegraph, Ft or whatever, get nowhere close, and no one could reasonably expect that. In the case of those publications though, their weekly movie reviews cover a broad range of films by genre, language and provenance.
 

BrightonChris

Distinguished Member
Really? Slightly bizarre as it's very well regarded (rightly so IMO) and not without good reason!

Essential purchase when the release with DTS X/Atmos comes along in 2020
I know it's generally well regarded by mainstream audiences. It seems there's a bit of a disconnect between the Bond obsessives that don't get on with it and everyone else. Similar to how OHMSS is seen by causal viewers as a bit of a joke and Bond fans who regularly put it in their top three. I'm speaking anecdotally and in large generalities of course. I wouldn't say that anyone's opinion is bizarre just because it doesn't fit with the majority.
 

PaxtonSage

Active Member
No surprises on the picture front, my blu ray version probably has the best transfer of a film bar none from the many I’ve seen and even gives out a pretty decent 3d image when I switch on my TVs 3d conversion settings. Best of the Craig films outside of Casino Royale for me though.
 

Rockets

Active Member
A reviewer needs an audience of similar mind without question, and its evident you have succeeded in that respect here. As for questions of scope, I only see those reviews published here, so if I'm missing something, my bad.

From what I do see here though, I'd make two observations. Covering both TV and movies is a tough task, especially with the avalanche of scripted TV dramas across platforms. Personally I think that does covering neither medium justice, forcing choices or selectivity that will work for some, and not others.

I'm clearly in the latter category, with little interest in the latest conveyor belt Netflix release, which seem to take up a lot of the TV reviews here, nor any interest in superhero franchises.

That all said, I make no judgment about what may or may not be your personal preferences, as I understand you have to cater to your audience. It's very difficult to cover everything, and even larger scale publications, be it the Guardian, Telegraph, Ft or whatever, get nowhere close, and no one could reasonably expect that. In the case of those publications though, their weekly movie reviews cover a broad range of films by genre, language and provenance.
Firstly I will say I do think that Casimir does a fine job.

Do I think that perhaps too much franchise stuff is reviewed. Yes
Do I think that stuff gets to high score. Yes (only because it leaves so little room to differentiate between the good, very good, excellent and the pinnacle of all time cinema)

But these are my opinions.

What isn't a opinion but fact is that the film studios have realised that the biggest way to make money is through these franchises. Perhaps the biggest long term franchise blueprint is the bond films.

There is one good point about Bond films though. Generally speaking every one can be viewed alone without needing to have previously invested in the franchise.

But here is a problem something like 'My Brilliant Friend' (HBO/Sky) Italian/subtitles which is one of the finest TV productions in the last few years was never even reviewed.
Yet Watchmen has been spoon fed us and dare I say is far inferior.
 

Gareth W

Active Member
I know it's generally well regarded by mainstream audiences. It seems there's a bit of a disconnect between the Bond obsessives that don't get on with it and everyone else. Similar to how OHMSS is seen by causal viewers as a bit of a joke and Bond fans who regularly put it in their top three. I'm speaking anecdotally and in large generalities of course. I wouldn't say that anyone's opinion is bizarre just because it doesn't fit with the majority.

Thanks for your reply.

My post was somewhat tongue in cheek and yes I have heard many Bond fans not share the widespread view that "Skyfall" is a brilliant film (and I personally believe it is by any metric) and stands comparison to any Bond film in the franchise.

It is a Bond film that just about covers all bases so perhaps that very broad appeal is part of the issue as you see it? OHMSS often appears towards the top of Bond fans lists but I just don't see it unless they are deliberately being obtuse......as certain factions of film fans can often be perhaps?

Having opposing views is great and I welcome it. No one is wrong or right, just differing views which is ideal.

I have to confess another soft spot for Skyfall in that it was filmed (Hankley Common - last 30 mins or so, filling in for Scotland) very close to where I live and spend a lot of my time and it's my favourite place.

Have a great weekend Chris.
 

Sandyb01

Active Member
Firstly I will say I do think that Casimir does a fine job.

Do I think that perhaps too much franchise stuff is reviewed. Yes
Do I think that stuff gets to high score. Yes (only because it leaves so little room to differentiate between the good, very good, excellent and the pinnacle of all time cinema)

But these are my opinions.

What isn't a opinion but fact is that the film studios have realised that the biggest way to make money is through these franchises. Perhaps the biggest long term franchise blueprint is the bond films.

There is one good point about Bond films though. Generally speaking every one can be viewed alone without needing to have previously invested in the franchise.

But here is a problem something like 'My Brilliant Friend' (HBO/Sky) Italian/subtitles which is one of the finest TV productions in the last few years was never even reviewed.
Yet Watchmen has been spoon fed us and dare I say is far inferior.
Agreed. And while I haven't seen My Brilliant Friend, you could also add highly worthwhile shows on Sky Atlantic & others like Patrick Melrose, Succession, Big Little Lies, Sharp Objects, Barry, Atlanta, even Twin Peaks The Return. None of these I would regard as classics, but very good nonetheless, and were all major releases (be it stars, directors etc), so yes, the constant stream of reviews of uninspiring Netflix fodder seems odd.
 

Casimir Harlow

Blu-ray Reviewer
Agreed. And while I haven't seen My Brilliant Friend, you could also add highly worthwhile shows on Sky Atlantic & others like Patrick Melrose, Succession, Big Little Lies, Sharp Objects, Barry, Atlanta, even Twin Peaks The Return. None of these I would regard as classics, but very good nonetheless, and were all major releases (be it stars, directors etc), so yes, the constant stream of reviews of uninspiring Netflix fodder seems odd.
Well, it's a little more complicated than that. I try and cover all the *movie* releases by all of the streaming services, which includes all of the dross (Hotel Mumbai notwithstanding) that Sky churn out, not just Netflix. It just happens that Netflix have 2 a week rather than 1 a quarter.

For TV, Sky is immediately at a disadvantage because it has this pesky habit of generally releasing just one episode, which makes reviewing *some* shows harder (AHS84 - steered clear). Netflix invariably drops the lot, so the only arduous task is binging. Netflix also have much better AV (which is kinda the point of the site, unlike, say, The Telegraph) than NowTV, and I'm not going to stump up the exorbitant amount required to get Sky UHD because it's, frankly, not worth it.

In general, though, the answer is more material equates to a bigger share of the reviewing pie, and Netflix does favour quantity over quality. My job is to *try* to help identify what's good (The King, Dolemite) from the countless average flicks they churn out.

And the other streaming services do get a pretty good look considering their output:

Amazon - Jack Ryan, Modern Love, Goliath, Undone, Mr Robot, Carnival Row, Preacher, The Boys, Suspiria, Good Omens, Too Old to Die Young, Homecoming, Hanna;

Sky/HBO - Chernobyl, Euphoria, Deadwood, Watchmen, Big Little Lies, The Affair, Big Little Lies, Warrior, LA's Finest, Extremely Wicked, Game of Thrones, Serenity, Tin Star, Final Score, Anon, Hurricane Heist, Westworld.

Perhaps you just didn't notice some of these reviews?
 

Jaxkesa

Active Member
A shame this isn't available on it's own as I would definitely buy to see Deakins' work in full fat 4K. Can't quite justify £56 for an incomplete collection.
 

featherhall

Distinguished Member
Skyfall for me is just perfection. Absolutely love everything about that film but especially the cinematography.
I can’t get past the lack of an Atmos audio upgrade so will leave these for now. I bought the blu steelbook when that was released so it’ll do until the inevitable complete collection of Craig films comes out with audio upgrades (hopefully)
 

Goodmane

Active Member
a broad range of films by genre, language and provenance.
I think it's a little unsporting to re-frame the discussion regarding scope to one encompassing all productions and their country origins, and all languages etc...

There are plenty of venues / groups to celebrate and discuss film generally for art's sake, e.g. Cannes film festival type content.

As far as I'm aware, this site rarely misses anything that will be of broad interest, and it's rare to come across such candid and knowledgeable reviews, which going by the success of the site and the comments here are generally well-received and valued.

Perhaps you prefer to read elsewhere; in which case why bother to criticize with a shallow veneer of high brow? :)
 

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