As i have no phone line i read with interest the recent thread regarding a payment of £25 to have sky without a phone line. So, i just phoned sky to be told yes that's correct a one off payment of £25 but only on standard sky not sky+. So it appears i still can't get sky+. I queried it as i thought updates were via satellite-aparently it's only the box software updates and package/channel updates are via the phone. Does anyone have any info on this???Surely if the lack of line doesn't affect normal sky then it won't affect sky+ as standard must still be updated too? I desperately want sky+!!!!!!!