just had sky+ installed and thought those of you who have been debating this topic would like to know this tale. i asked the installer what make i would be getting and he said pace. having seen the posts over the last few weeks, i breathed a sigh of relief. i mentioned to him that i had heard amstrad have had quite a few problems and he said he shouldn't tell me this but yes that is true. he also said that sky have upped their order for pace boxes rather than amstrad. in fact, he said he hadn't installed an amstrad model for some time and he didn't anticipate any change in the future. thought you might like to know.