Hi guys, Quick question, I've always been a bit smug about my 5 year old TIVO thinking of myself as been above all those Sky + users . However I realised that Sky HD will require the new box with all the sky + features etc. I was planning to use that box to record the odd HD programme and keep using my TIVO for SD stuff. Trouble is I read this in the T&Cs on the sky website "Sky+ subscription required to use the personal video recorder features of the sky HD box" So does that mean that to record anything at all even like an old VCR or pause live TV etc, I'm going to have to get Sky+ too? Seems crazy to switch off all these features when they are built into the box! For me that means an extra £20/month in subs to get HD, I'll still probably do it if I have to but its a big wad of cash. Must be plenty of others out there with generic PVRs in the same situation. Before anyone bashes I'm totally of the attitude if you want it, buy it. If you don't or can't afford it then shut up and don't buy it. I'm not slagging Sky, I'm actually more wondering if any of you guys think I'll be able to do any recording at all on the box without a Sky+ sub. If not then surely that box with all that hard drive etc built into it is just ripe for some "nefarious so and so" to chip it.