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sky and hd is it going to be any good

Discussion in 'Televisions' started by john R1, Sep 20, 2005.

  1. john R1

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    is sky hd going to be worth the wait, lets be fair the digital signal they send out now seems to be pretty bad having read a lot of the postings on here, or will it be ok when they start and go down-hill once they have enough subscribers to continue paying there way over the top prices ?
     
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    That's the million dollar question, will they give it the bandwidth is deserves or cram as much as they can out of each transponder to save a few pennies. Personally I think they will do a decent job of it, what's the point of going to all the trouble of HD, if your going to bodge it. Only time will tell :rolleyes:
     
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    The problem with SKY's premium channels (which HD will be) is that they haven't kept up with the increasing demands of the display technologies.
    I assume simple economics point to using enough bandwidth to meet the expectations of the majority of subscribers using 4:3 or 16:9 CRT's under 32" which mask many of the flaws in digital broadcasts.

    HD is the answer to the problem of providing sufficently good source material to those with displays that only shine when they get the good stuff without the extra investment being wasted on millions without the TV's to do it justice.
     
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    Yes :D

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    I'm hopeful that the use of MPEG4 rather than MPEG2 will help with bandwidth issues.
     
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    I'll wait and see. So far the only HD demo's that I've seen have been from local sources of unknown origin (but probably originated on a PC).

    As far as I'm concerned, the playing of a HD wmv file into a HD plasma in a chain store has no bearing at all on the forthcoming quality of Sky HD transmissions.
     
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    Which is quite worrying. Please, if there is a God, don't let Sky fudge up this one too!!
    I think the main source of HD material for me will be HDDVD/BluRay, u know, in 2012 when they come out in the UK.
     
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    The problem with Sky HD will be the same as normal Sky. Sky only have control over the programmes that they suppply (i.e. Sky One, Sky Movies, etc). All the other programmes will be uploaded by other companies, so I expect we will still see a variation in quality between channels.
     
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    Hopefully their HD movies will be worth paying for. Can't wait to watch LOTR Trilogy in 1080i (or whatever res it will be).

    PS: You're Nick-something on Beyond3D, right? Guess who i am, not hard to figure out, i'm one of the very few to post HDTV and UK info on there... :cool:
     
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    No, sorry, I'm not. I do post on other forums, but this is the only AV-related forum I post on.
     
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    They do look stunning, I even watched TTT again in HD which I wouldn't consider worth my time in standard def:)
     
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    I suppose the only plus point is that for many channels HD is simply not an option, those which rely on older catalogue stuff and those that aren't even prepared to adopt widescreen.

    Hopefully the 4 main broadcasters when they do offer HD will step up and produce top notch pictures since hopefully there will be no need for a mass of regional variations etc which I think is one reason Five seems to maintain the highest standards.
     
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    well low quality HD seems to be a contradiction in terms.

    They are not going to get many HD subscribers if all they do is increase the maximum possible amount of pixels, then broadcast with to much compression so it still ends up pixelated.

    The ONLY justification for paying extra for HD is to get higher quality. If it isn't, there is zero else reason to subscribe. So quality has to be their number one priority surely?
     
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    Exactly.

    Moving from analogue to digital entailed huge economic savings in broadcasting costs not to mention and major increase in capacity and therefore channels unable to exist in analogue were born in the digital age.
    This of course has been a mixed blessing:)

    The introduction of HD is costing SKY and eventually other broadcasters a packet and the only way to recoup these costs is to provide something way beyond what the current broadcasts are capable of.
    As you say, no point otherwise and one reason why SKY will not be taking any chances with PQ as there is no money to be saved only lost if they screw it up.
     
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    i hope so. the recent demo I saw in comet (running off a PC) had some Battlestar Galactica footage in 720p which was very noisy. Hopefully just dodgy encoding.
     
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    My local AV Specialist has been showing footage from HD1 (euro1080), the european HD satelite channel and it is very impressive. If Sky manage to maintain the same level of quality it will be well worth the extra subscription.
     
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    Don't know. You can listen to Radio 1 on hi-fi speakers, can't you ? :rotfl:
     
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    Yes, i went into some high street shops today and saw lots of HDTVs (LCDs, Plasmas, DLPs) all showing very very crappy aerial feeds. Not even DVDs, aerial stuff. Don't see the point to be honest. And these were big shops, like Ask, Gultronics etc...

    Then went into a Sony Centre, and one (just one) of their HDTVs was showing a HD feed. Amazing.
     
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    But,

    How do we, the consumer, decide that our expensive upgrades to a Sky HD box & HD ready panel have been worth the money??? By saying to ourselves when we first take a look "isn't it a much better picture than 'old' Sky". So, to my point, this reaction depends on the noticeable difference betwen SD & HD Sky. One way Sky can broaden the gap in pq would be to slowly reduce the pq of exg Sky until HD launch, slw enough so that us punters do not really notice. I now sit watching the telly thinking "thats a crap picture tonight, I wonder if 'it' has begun"!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    Mine has too, running into a 1280x768 50" Pioneer plasma; which is unfortunate because one can't see the 1080i, only downscaled version of it.

    Futhermore, their HD1 decoder macro-blocks too often which makes me think it's not that impressive really.

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    Since most Sky broadcasts are way below good SD DVD, I wonder how far off
    SD DVD will their HD broadcasts be. They might be the same :eek: , or only slightly better!
     
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    Well they will be higher resolution, so the compression blocking will at least be smaller!
     
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    That's because you can't distribute HDTV on a daisy-chain of co-ax cables, like you can with an aerial feed. Far beyond the capabilities of even the most "tecchie" of chain-store people :)
     
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    Indeed - though some chains are installing DVI/HDMI or analogue component distribution amps to allow them to feed multiple displays from a single source.

    I think the nightmare for stores is the "source per display" scenario - where people mess around with the BluRayMk1/PC/Japanese STB+HD or Euro1080 sources for each display.

    (Can you imagine what it'll be like when Sky HD launches and people re-tune the HD receivers to 4:3 SD low-data rate overcompressed channels...)
     
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    actually, I'm very impressed with how the big chains are handling HD demos. Comet has a HD source running to 6 HD sets via a HD distribution amp in all of the 3 stores I've been to recently. And on both occasions I've asked to see HD on a nearby set that isn't connected, they've popped round the back and swapped cables. It seems head office sees 'HD Ready' as a great sales opportunity.

    and currys have their LG HD wall. The 60" LG plasma with a HD feed is the single best advert for HD I've ever seen. Even though people won't pay £8k for such a crazy big set, they'll buy the smaller versions.
     
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    Best get down to comet then.
    Amazingly they are usually the best place in town for a wide selection of sets fed with a true HD feed
     
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    Is that the one running with the XD engine stuff? Saw this at my local Currys the other day - 1 massive LG plasma - probably the 60" version you're referring to - a 37" LCD and two other screens which i think were both 42" plasmas.

    To be honest I couldn't say if the material they were showing (which appeared to be an LG showreel for the XD processing) was HD or well encoded SD that had been "improved" by the sets processing, but it did make me think about considering an LG set when I do upgrade to a HD display
     
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    has to be HD. The 60" was almost pinsharp from a few feet away. No matter how good the SD footage was, it wouldn't have been *that* good.

    Still, as you point out, a good advert for LG, and HD in general. Its convinced me to go 37", as HD really benefits from bigger screens.
     
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    Could just have been a good scaling & detail routine that LG have developed - when I had a JVC DIST set last year I was pretty impressed with the image trickery on that that managed to fool you into thinking there was more detail there than there was.

    Well i'm hoping that for the sort of viewing distance I'm likely to have to use 32" will be enough, as anything bigger will start blocking out the daylight from the windows
     
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    Let me turn around the original question and imagine a best case scenario where Sky offers UK consumers with the best looking 720p and/or 1080i in the world. How many of today's screens would be capable of showing them to their full potential?
     

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