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Sim2 new 3 chip @ only 25lbs and 6500:1 contrast!!

Discussion in 'Projectors, Screens & Video Processors' started by Zag, Jul 27, 2005.

  1. Zag

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    Wow, that equates to about £10k, and to think thats what single chip ones were just a few years ago.
    It certainly is going to be interesting times over the coming months, well in the states at least :)
     
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    Sooner the better.....
     
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    Fantastic news for all of us- this will probably have a "street" price well below the advertised price in the USA which is around the price that it stops being a "Premiership Footballers" only purchase.

    3 chippers in the £5--8k range in 18 months' time?

    Bring em on!! :clap:

    And don't forget the screenplay777 was 20% cheaper than the Sim2 ...
     
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    I can see three times the rainbows...


    :)
     
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    They dropped the price of the 777 dramatically about two/three months ago - was around $10,000 IIRC. I wonder if they have a new cheaper Sim2 equivalent in the pipeline so were clearing out old stock.

    Gary.
     
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    Aren't 3 chip machines rainbow free for everyone?
     
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    Yep.
     
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    I think Cyber was trying some dry wit. :p

    Gary.
     
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    $10,000 dollars? :eek:

    £5700 ?? I think I want one...
     
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    I can't remember the price exactly but it was considerably cheaper than when it was first introduced - I think there was a link to the new low price over on avs.

    Gary.
     
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    Maybe BenQ scrapped plans for the 8720 because they're releasing a sub £8K 3 Chip DLP at this years CEDIA.

    Maybe even Optoma has a sub £10K 3 chipper waiting in the wings for release end of 05!!

    May explain the sudden drop in single chip DLP prices and the existence of machines like the H78DC3 in the states at around £2200.

    Something needs to fill the £5K to £8K void.... Could that be a whole raft of 3 chippers for shipping in late 05 early 06???

    Pure speculation of course and probably a year too early but the rate at which this technology moves... who knows..
     
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    Why are 3 chippers so expensive.

    Are DMD panels a lot more expensive then LCD panels at the same resolution.

    It's just that I wouldn't imagine that there would be that much difference.
     
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    DMDs are more expensive than LCDs, but I don't see why the price differential for a 3-chip projector is as great as it is - i.e. 2.5x the price of an equivalent single chipper.
     
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    The 8720 appears to be alive and well and now has a 6200:1 contrast ratio! This press release was published just last week - http://www.benq.de/news/index.cfm?id=1028&year=2005

    Paul
     
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    Aren't these starting to approach the real CR of a calibrated CRT that allows shadow detail.
     
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    Yes. 6500:1 would equate roughly to the black level of a 7" crt. 10000:1 would probably match an 8" crt (crt's are often quoted as being 30000:1 but proper calibration drops this to around 8000:1 or so).

    However, quoted contrast ratio seldom lives up to the real-life performance but recent pj models such as the Sony HS50 did actually get close to the quoted ratio after a bit of tweaking and shadow detail is excellent.

    With 10000:1 contrast DLP TV sets just released in the US, similar spec'ed pj's can't be far behind!
    Paul
     
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    I'm sure the reason 3 chip DLP costs more than 3 chip LCD is due to the optics.
    LCD is transmissive(right word?), ie light passes through the panel.
    The light is split from the bulb, passes through the 3 panels and rejoined before entering the lens.
    Any unwanted light is blocked(behind) by the panels themselves.

    DLP and LCOS(SXRD) are reflective, and present a more difficult optical challenge.
    The light has to be split for each panel, coming from "in front" instead of from behind like LCD.
    This then has to be directed back to be rejoined, before entering the lens.
    All this stray light has to be dealt with somehow, or contrast will be destroyed.
    The quality of the optical block must effect contrast, and pushes the price up etc.

    Or something like that!!! :D
     
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    Nice review here - http://www.htprojectors.com/ (I think you may have to be a member to see it but its well worth a read (as are other reviews on the site). Plenty of exellent information.

    Andrea Manuti is one of the top guys in the AV industry, we don't hear much about him over here but rest assured he knows his stuff!
    Paul
     
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    Hi Zag

    I've been doing a bit of checking on three chip DLP's and they actually have worse contrast ratios than single chip models because there are more places for light to leak.

    Obviously if you look at the contrast ratios that manufacturers quote, they say something very different, but if you ask around about how manufacturers measure their products you'll see the figures they quote are very misleading.

    Most projectors quote full on/off figures for contrast which means they measure the difference between the projector turned off in a dark room and when it is turned on with the brightness etc. turned full up.

    Wait and take a look at the new 3 chippers coming out and make you own mind up.
     
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    piffle
     
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    Check out the October '05 issue of HiFi News magazine, the AVTech section will have the UK's first technical review of the SIM2 C3X.

    (Issue should be out during the first week of September).

    Cheers.

    David.
     
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    I expect to see a 3 chipper dlp machine within a year that's hidef ready and less then a grand.

    Can't wait.
     
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    Manufacturer's specs should be taken with a pinch of salt, but I find nothing impressive about a £10K+ PJ that only just betters the HS50 on contrast (6000:1). DLP does not justify this ridiculous premium. You can get fantastic performance for less than £2k now - LCD and DLP! No way is a 3 chipper six times as good. A complete rip-off, IMO, and that's saying something since this is "cheap" for a 3 chip DLP.

    And pigs might fly. :rotfl:
     
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    I hope your right!

    Unfortunately, I believe the most likely chance for the vast majority of us obtaining rainbow-free DLPs within the next few years will be 8 – 10x single chippers. However, I can see 3 chippers occupying the £5-10k market.
     
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    sub 1000quid 3 chipper ?

    3 years at the earliest and I reckon it will be more like 5.
     
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    I don't think we will ever see a sub £1000 3 chipper DLP.
     
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    cheaper 3 chip DLp is a just a quick reaction to the very soon to come 1080P native LCD projectors.
    I think Fujitsu have just released there first model which is 3 panel . Price for the LCD is £16999. so not cheap but still cheaper than what 3 chip DLP was selling for.

    HCC link

    http://www.homecinemachoice.com/cgi-bin/shownews.php?id=8268
     
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    SIM2 tend to quote calibrated contrast ratios. calibrate the HS50 and still see if you hit 6000:1. (but still hit a reasonable lumen output)
    Also comparing the HS50 to a 3-chipper or even a quality single cheaper with a lower contrast ratio is realy not a wise idea. The HS50 just cannot compete, and while the dynamic iris is maybe the future the HS50 at times just gets the level of a scene just completely wrong. Its too dark or not bright enough etc. + it also exhibits its fair share of the usual LCD issues.
     
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    I don't think anyone is questioning that a 3 chipper is 'better', but is it really £10000 better? I think most people would say not.

    The average user doesn't care about calibrated figures but what performance he gets out of the box, which is mostly excellent for £2k. You'd have to show something amazing to justify an extra £10k. I stand by my opinion - 3 chip DLPs are a rip-off. In fact, I think high-end single chip DLPs are a rip-off too.

    LCD is a lot closer to DLP than the premium would suggest.
     

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