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Sim2 HT300+ vs Marantz VP-12S2

Discussion in 'Projectors, Screens & Video Processors' started by zcaps57, Nov 30, 2002.

  1. zcaps57

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    Hello, folks.

    I'm kind of dead-locked between those new HD2 DLPs.

    Although pros, and cons of each units are pretty obvious... I cannot decide which one to go for at the moment without advices from people here. :) I'm going to audition them around Christmas.
    BTW, is the Marantz S2 available in UK yet ??

    According to the spec,
    VP-12S2 features 2600:1 CR, and
    Sim2 HT300+ has 1800:1 CR.

    From reading AVS, Marantz 'seems' to have higher CR, not only specs, but in real-world, too.
    Check this thread on AVS for real-world CR of Marantz.
    Even for Sim2 HT300+, 2300-2400:1 or at least 1800:1++ real-world CR of Marantz would be hard to beat, I think.

    Any opinions, comments would be highly appreciated.
     
  2. zcaps57

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    Man... this forum truly is a AE100 forum. LOL! :D
     
  3. Technophobe

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    zcaps57

    Can't comment on the Marantz but I have compared the Sim with my Sharp 9000. Here's what I thought:

    HT300 Good points:

    Good scaler with minimal artifacts.
    Long lamp life (if you believe the specs)
    Quality sealed optics with remote controlled focus/zoom
    Compact good looking design.

    HT300 Bad points:

    Damn noisy (Colour wheel whine), needs to be in a hush box of some kind.
    Picture very dim lacking punch, needs a totally dark room.
    Very exspensive compared with the Sharp which can now be had for around £4000 - £5000.
    Crap remote control for the price, looks like it belongs to a sub £100 DVD player!

    From what I've read I would probably go for the Marantz, but I did read about some reliability issues so check them out before importing one.

    Technophobe
     
  4. MikeC

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    Zcaps57

    it all comes down to whether the HT300+'s higher price over the 12S2 can be justified.

    They are pretty even overall.

    Don't also forget that SIM does issue firmware updates to sort problems/enhance
    performance.

    I own a 12S1 and I do think that the case of the Ht300 is neater.. :D

    Mike
     
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    Thanks for your input, gents.
     
  6. LostInUK

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    Mike,

    have you had any problems with the Marantz? Do you think the HT300 has better performance, or is it all about small differences?

    Thanks
     
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    I've got an HT300 (not the plus) - and I've got to say the pictureis fabulous - especially in a light controlled room and on a decent screen. However all is not roses in the Sim garden. My PJ has had faults since day one. It began with bulb flicker - new bulb. Then loss of picture - new video board. Then bulb flicker again - new bulb. The new bulb began to flicker again after about 40hrs of lamp life. I was told that Owl wouldn't consider replacement 'till I had put 100 hrs on the bulb - so I did and watched the flicker become a flutter for the next 60hrs. I feel I have been very patient with Owl and Sim - and the PJ when it works really is a beauty - but when is enough, enough.:mad:
    AndyS
     
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    Andy,

    I do appreciate the frustration that a flickering lamp causes (ask Marantz), I & my collegues at SIM 2 are working hard to resolve your problem. A dialogue between SIM2 and Phillips about your particular case is well underway.

    We will resolve this and we do appreciate your patience on this matter.

    Regards


    Alan Roser
    Technical Director
    Owl Video Systems Ltd

    PS. 2600:1 contrast ratio on a HD2 system - I don't think so ;)
     
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    Alan

    I have been told of your personal involvement and do appreciate your efforts. The decision would be an easier one if it wasn't such an outstanding picture in other repects. I am keen to hold on and wait for a solution but there have been only 40hrs or so in the last 6 months when I have been able to watch my HT300 without some kind of problem. You hit the nail on the head FRUSTRATION. The problem is once you see a visual flaw in an image (or indeed hear one in a sound) you can spend the next hour looking for the same flaw to repeat itself. This does not make for happy viewing.:confused:
    I remain patient (For now)and look forward to a prompt resolution.
    Thanks once again for your personal involvement.
    AndyS
     
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    Dear Alan,

    when you said that an HD2 system cannot achieve 2600:1, could you please explain what the technical limitations are?
    I am asking this because I have read, in the AVS forum, people saying that they had measured the CR of several HD2 projectors and the Marantz achieved well above 2000:1. Other HD2 models had similar performance, other did not.

    Just out of interest.

    Many thanks.
     
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    I got a chance to see the Sim300+ at the Manchester Show.
    I was very impressed indeed!. (Don't tell Roland, me being a Barco CRT owner "an all" :D )
    It is the first DLP that i think i could live with, but longer testing would be required before i would say for definite. As most PJ owners know, not all "Bugs" are spotted during demo's.
    All credit goes to Alan and his team, as the image (even during non ideal show conditions) was spot on.
    Colour accuracy was excellent giving a very CRT like warmth to the picture.
    Screendoor was a non issue, as i had to get within a few feet to see it.
    Black level looked very good, but again true blackout conditions would be needed to comfirm how black it goes etc.
    I would like a longer demo to check for DLP "dithering" but this and rainbows wasn't a problem during my demo.
    I did have high hopes for the NEC HT1000, but that looks a little buggy at the moment.
    It will be a toss up between a Barco 1209s or a 4.3 HD2 DLP for my next upgrade. Cost may be the deciding factor!
     
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    Have you considered the new InFocus 7200 also? It has all the features of the Sim2 HT300+ , incl newer DCDi chips, sealed optics, DVI, for a rrp of £6k. Quite a saving.

    Check out the avs forum for reviews just arriving from new owners.
    Released on the 9th Dec here I believe.

    n.
     
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    Also consider the Toshiba MT8 - uses HD2 chip and sells for 5k plus VAT
     
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    I'm not interested in Infocus.

    ScreenPlay 7200 maybe an exeption, but generally I would put the Sim2, Runco, Dwin, Marantz and not likely but probably Sharp at the top with the Infocus technically at the bottom.
     
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    pedro
    just spotted your q.

    So far the VP-12S1 has performed flawlessly.
    Only concern is an occasional flicker from the bulb which is occasionally
    noticeable but only then on certain material.

    There is little in it - both are great products.
    Some prefer the Marantz, others the SIM2.

    Mike
     
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    I am in a similar 'choosing' situation , but have to say that the wheel noise and light leakage from the Sim2 are causing me to lean towards the Marantz (it appears that the HT300+ is no better than the HT300 in this respect).

    I am just not sure when the VP-12S2 will become readily available in the UK ?
     
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    I agree that the noise of the sim is a bit of a pain if you are within 6 foot of the pj. I have been told by a dealer that stocks both the sim and the marantz that the marantz is better also the the prices of the sim are to come down I think that this is due to the sharpz90 that is a hd2 dlp with a very good spec & price and various outher second generation pj that have just come onto the market that are now on par with the benchmark sim2 for a lot less money. I myself have seen both the sim & the sharp z90 the picture quality is the same on both but for noise the sharp is a lot less noisey and as for looks they are both morden looking with a nice curved case I would go for the sharp myself as it would leave a lot of your buget to spend in outher areas.

    Mark
     

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