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silver to gold?

peggysue

Banned
:Dhi people . im wondering if anyone has had a the silver range of speakers and upgraded to the gold? i recently bought a bronze br lcr speaker. my first monitor audio speaker and it sounded great but the tweeter was faulty. i took back to sevenoaks and they were gonna swap it straight over but the look of the silver range caught my eye so i paid extra and left with a new rs lcr and i was stunned at the sound difference. was worth the extra money. now im curious how much difference there is between the silver and gold? is it a big jump? im planning on buying my floorstanders soon but wondered shall i buy the golds (gs20) ......instead of the rs6,s . any advice?
 

jagr

Established Member
The golds are in a totally different league and are worth every penny. They have so much more presence and are remarkably musical. They can take anything you throw at them and just sound out of this world.

Your problem would be though that you would need to upgrade your centre as well to get the full benefits.

Golds do take a really long time to bed in and sound as good as they can. One review I read said they can take upto 500Hrs:eek:
 

birdseed

Established Member
I also have listened to the bronzes, then the silver and there was no contest, the silver was markedly better.

Just to confuse you and offer a diametrically opposite view of the silver vs golds....

I had the silver 6 and centre, and upgraded to the GR20s and Gold centre.

I really cant tell the difference, and if I was unlucky enough to be burgled, I wouldnt be buying the gold again. I did change my amp from a harman kardon to an arcam 300 and that was a better improvement.

However, i bought the Golds off ebay, so I dont know their history before i got my hands on them.
 

peggysue

Banned
lol 2 different opinions but i reckon if funds allow i will def upgrade to gold..... it seems they would be better run on higher end sources which im planning on upgrading soon too.:D
 

warrior-kid

Established Member
Obviously GR20 and an old Gold Reference centre are not the same thing as GS20 and GSLCR. As I posted elsewhere, I moved RS6 to the sides and upgraded all the front three to GS20+GSLCR. Both are head and shoulders above RS6+RSLCR. The centre is critical for voice in movies and would be the first thing to upgrade. GS20 are great for music and have that clarity that goes far beyond anywhere RS6 could touch. Worth every penny in my opinion.
 

jagr

Established Member
I had the silver 6 and centre, and upgraded to the GR20s and Gold centre.

I don't think the OP was comparing the old 'Silver' series speakers but the 'RS' range. Correct me if I am wrong but I thought the 'Silvers' were replaced by the 'Gold Reference' range so are superior quality than the 'RS' speakers?

The old Silvers were closer but still not in the same league.
 

Dave964

Prominent Member
When I bought my GS10s I also auditioned silvers (whatever the silver equivalent is).

I have to say - although there was a difference, I wouldn't say the golds were in a different league. In fact, I didn't really think the golds were £500 better - but since the cost wasn't really an issue at the time, and the golds were better I bought them.

I confess though that in the time I've owned them, they have impressed me a lot - even though I currently have a different set of speakers plugged in for home demo. And in fact - in my lounge, the difference between the GS10s and the speakers I'm listening to at the moment is much less than I expected. Which is surprising considering the difference in price is very significant.
 

warrior-kid

Established Member
Sorry, Dave, but I'm comparing floorstanders, the like with like, GS20 and RS6. I have both used together and it's easy to compare just by moving them around and flipping the cables. Telling there's no difference is beyond belief, the difference between these floorstanders right here in my home, for these particular ones, is massive.
 

Dave964

Prominent Member
Sorry, Dave, but I'm comparing floorstanders, the like with like, GS20 and RS6. I have both used together and it's easy to compare just by moving them around and flipping the cables. Telling there's no difference is beyond belief, the difference between these floorstanders right here in my home, for these particular ones, is massive.

I didn't say there was no difference. I said that the difference was not that great, and didn't really justify the difference in price.

And - as with all things hi-fi - it comes down to personal taste and opinion. Which I'm assuming is what the OP was asking for.
 

Knyght_byte

Distinguished Member
There is a step up, but you also need to step up your amp and source to make sure you get the benefit.

Also there is not a vast difference between the Silver S and Silver RS series. There is a more marked improvement from the older Silver 'i' to Silver S/RS series. Likewise the GR-GS difference is not that amazing either, the main revision was in the tweeter which led to a crisper treble.

Personally I'd recommend the upgrade, but only expect leaps and bounds if you use similarly leaping and bounding equipment with them. In other words, if you are using an AV amp worth up to £1200 (give or take) then you wont notice so much of a difference. Plop both sets of speakers on an AV amp worth around £2k+ and you should easily hear the difference. Likewise with stereo, there wont be such a noticable difference on something up to £500 for the amp, there should be a difference heard up to £900 and then £900+ the Golds will come in to their own and the Silvers wont sound any better. Source wise it will vary of course depending on what you are listening to in respect to genre, but with CD you will probably want to be spending around £600+ to get the best out of the Golds with £1k+ being the most obvious noticable difference.

But as said, it all comes down to personal preference, some people cant distinguish past a certain point of quality, my dad still reckons the bathroom radio sounds best to him...lol
 

Canti1982

Prominent Member
That is very true, I upgraded from some Silver S to Gold R and the difference was quite noticeable. The real big differences come when you are using a far better source and amp.

Im recently upgraded my source from an Arcam DV78 to a DV139 and the difference was amazing, Im upgrading the amp to an Arcam AVR600 in the next few weeks so hope for more improvements. I certainly dont think I have hit the ceiling of what these speakers are capable of yet :thumbsup:

Also if you can bi-amp them do it as this made a significant difference to the quality and definition.
 

dean999

Established Member
i would agree with knight byte & canti totally.

knight byte- my mum is just the same as your dad- she thinks a tatty old mono radio sounds the same:eek:( they are both lucky, no crazy spending on electronics).
 

n.simpson

Novice Member
I demoed the Silver and Gold bookshelf speakers and was blown away by the GR10s (I've since traded them in for AE1mk3s but wish I hadn't). Shortly after that my brother nearly bought a Silver series 5.1 system but I suggested GS10 fronts and centre and after listening to them he was blown away too so he bought the GS10s and GS LCR and RS FX.

I liked my GR10s so much that I recently bought some MA Gold equivalent in-ceiling speakers and I love them.

Perhaps what impressed me most was just how good the Gold series sounded with fairly modest equipment and they just got better as I upgraded. However, given the differing opinions on offer you really have to demo them for yourself. It seems you'll either love them and will happily part with the cash or will be indifferent, in which case you should save your money unless you are after the piano black finish which I don't believe you can get on the Silver series (at least you couldn't when I bought mine).
 

GYRODEC1

Established Member
Hi guys,

I'm very much interested in the Monitor Audio GS20's.
I am using a MF A5cr Pre & Pwr amps with Kef Reference 1:2 Spks. How would the MA GS20's compare against my spks?

Even though I love the sound of my Kef's I feel I they could sound a bit more faster, exciting and greater clarity.

I mostly listen to R'n'B, Dance and Pop music.

Thanks
 
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GW43

Prominent Member
I went from Silver S1 to GR10, and the difference was easily worth the money. Still, I got some new end-of-line GR10s and they only cost me £450 against £800 for the GS10 so they were a bit of a steal!
 

tdtm82

Established Member
Obviously GR20 and an old Gold Reference centre are not the same thing as GS20 and GSLCR. As I posted elsewhere, I moved RS6 to the sides and upgraded all the front three to GS20+GSLCR. Both are head and shoulders above RS6+RSLCR. The centre is critical for voice in movies and would be the first thing to upgrade. GS20 are great for music and have that clarity that goes far beyond anywhere RS6 could touch. Worth every penny in my opinion.

I'll second that. Amazing voice reproduction on the GSLCR
 

oskarbootie

Standard Member
Well, I have just plunked down and brought home a pair of rs6s'. You could say I've gone from nothing to silver.
I've never posted on a forum so maybe I'm on the wrong thread.
First impressions right out of the box were "good grief! what 'ave I done? So I opened a bottle of whine and took it slow. When that began to kick in I put on a few familiar disks and sat back. Things soon began to level out. I knew this was a serious step up from what had been used to.
I'd been quite happy with a mod 2 surround system from Orb Audio. They really are sweet little speakers. But then I got that damn itch. More dynamics please, more soundstage please, better transient response please (whateverthatmeans).
I like stereo; I like surround but that'll have to wait for now. (how about Sea Change in surround!!! or Talking Heads or early Elton?? I've got them bi-amped to my elite 56txi with certified 16g lamp cord. Any suggestions on that? It's only been a couple of days but if anyone is interested I'd be happy to give an update as they (apparently) break in.
Cheers from Toronto
 

marscay

Established Member
Obviously GR20 and an old Gold Reference centre are not the same thing as GS20 and GSLCR. As I posted elsewhere, I moved RS6 to the sides and upgraded all the front three to GS20+GSLCR. Both are head and shoulders above RS6+RSLCR. The centre is critical for voice in movies and would be the first thing to upgrade. GS20 are great for music and have that clarity that goes far beyond anywhere RS6 could touch. Worth every penny in my opinion.

quite a few ppl actually prefer the GR series to the GS in fact - there's not alot between them @ all either way....they're extremely similar in sound signature.

one major difference is that the GR series were manufactured in GB whereas the GS are outsourced to Asia - don't automatically assume something is better because it's newer....quite often the reverse is true in audio.
 
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chapeau

Established Member
Excuse what might be a duffer question but only recently got interested in this hifi stuff again after many years.

Seems to be the advice that if you go from a silver to gold you need to upgrade your amp significantly too. Looking at this in a non-subjective way (my amp sounds better than yours) surely the thing that really matters most is speaker sensitivity and power being delivered by the amp.

So an GS20 has sensitivity ([email protected]) of 89 dB. What looks like your equivalent silver speaker, RS6, has sensitivity ([email protected]) of 91 dB.

So to my newbie brain, your GS does indeed need more power to get the same SPL, but in the grand design not a great deal more. If you listen to your RS6 at -30db, you will need to turn the volume up to -28db to get the same sound. Same amp remember, so it 'sounds the same' whatever that means.

If your amp - any amp - is well within its limits driving your RS6, shouldn't it be well within its limits driving your GS20?
 

marscay

Established Member
don't think of it in terms of power as such, it's more along the lines of better or cleaner amplification to bring the best out of the speakers.... the better quality of speaker the better amplification it deserves really.
 

Dankeech

Prominent Member
Hi Chapeau, the GS10's you're looking at getting will be restricted in performance by the AV receiver you're currently using. If you got GS10's and used them with the CA640R you have, you'll get an improvement, and one I'm sure you'll be happy with, but the GS series deserve something more refined. With a better AV receiver, you'll get another jump in performance as it all works of course like a convoy does - held up by slowest vehicle (held back by lowest quality component).

Not sure if you plan to buy GS10's new, or go 2nd hand like the RS series, but if you go new, you'll be wanting to demo. If you arrange a demo, you could bring your AV receiver and compare against what your dealer has to offer and see if the difference is worth the outlay.

I'm guessing you may be looking 2nd hand though, so your options will be limited on electronics and will get less chance to try before you buy.

You're familiar with the MA sound with AVR280 and CA640R. Denon electronics will generally be a bit brighter, that is to say has a bit more treble and a bit sharper, some will like this extra edge, some will find it tiring. Rotel as I understand it is also more forward. NAD is more laid back. Yamaha tends to be more clinical and plenty of detail for movies, but I've never personally enjoyed the musicality myself, each to their own.

To summarise, you'll get the cosmetic benefit & WAF of the GS10's anyway, and some of the detail improvement whilst not losing a great deal of bass or bottom end. (GS10's apparently have very good quality and extension at the bass end of the spectrum, probably not a world away from the RS6's).

An upgrade to your AV electronics whether now or in the future can offer you quite a bit more from the GS10's. For now the CA will drive them, but don't be surprised if the sound quality jump isn't as large as you'd hoped when you switch them over.

I still think an AVR280 would make an ideal purchase, but the chances of getting one brand new are practically nil. The second hand market has a number for sale normally thoug.

If you're ever down this way again, let me know. You could always bring some kit down and we could swap some bits over and you can see the difference and if it's worth the outlay to partner with GS10's. I'm looking at buying a flat now, with viewings starting in a fortnight. Potentially by summer I'll have a flat wuith a reasonable size lounge so would be able to provide a more comfortable & better room than the demo I provided when you collected the RS series.:thumbsup:
 

chapeau

Established Member
Hi Dan,

Looks like you worked it all out :)

Have reserved that Arcam 280 you bumped into so will be able to compare it with my 640r. Will let you know whether it's a real step up for my tin ears :)

Thanks for your advice,

Richard
 

Dankeech

Prominent Member
Not sure how great a demo they'll be able to do for you. Didn't see a demo room and the highest end speakers I saw were the RS6's (No golds spotted I'm afraid). The store didn't seem to be too busy on the Saturday I went, hopefully they'll be able to demo reasonably without background noise.

I was surprised to spot the AVR280 to be honest, hence the phone call. With the price it is, you may find perhaps you get a comparable sum back or more for your 640R, so may cost you little or nothing for the upgrade - I was going to suggest to check out the trading forums here, but I can see you are already:thumbsup:

Be interested how you find the AVR280 in your setup assuming you get it.

Oh, and my pm inbox has a bit of space now:suicide:
 

chapeau

Established Member
Well,

Eventually got some GS10s and did some really simple direct comparisons with the RS6s using the CA 640r. Just to get it out of the way they look a lot better to the mrs :)

After some listening I would agree that the GS10s are quite a bit better than the RS6s and the 640R is quite capable of drawing that out. I am not quite as eloquent as some of the people who post on here and provide excellent reviews. However I would sort of say the bass does not go quite as 'deep' on the GS10s, but sounds better when you can hear it. I guess that is why you can buy subwoofers. The mid range and treble are quite a lot clearer and the soundstage is a lot more obvious.

Well, that really tested my power of creative writing :D

I will test them all against an AVR280 when I get the time, and report back!
 

kidloco46

Established Member
They sound great when hooked up to the AVR280, just make sure you bi-amp them (thats is your not using the full 7.1), it makes a very noticable improvement.
 

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