Silly question time. Speaker terminals.

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  1. Jed

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    Okay i have give in.

    My dvd player is now having trouble with some multiregion discs, it's time to upgrade.
    I have at the monent a Pioneer DCS303 It's a all in one system. I now fancy seperates
    Still like pioneer and deffo want to go for the Pioneer 530 HD/DVD recorded so it would be nice to go for a Pioneer amp. (This has to be cheap) Budget is about £600 max including DVD player.

    My silly question is can i stick with the speakers off the 303 ?
    Here we go. On the back of a Amp i see Red and Black knobs are these speaker terminals that wrap round the wire? as my wires are just wire with no plugs. Yes it's a really silly question but i have not got a clue.

    A problem. The wife is not going to allow me to take out new carpet up to lay new wires to the back of the room so i mayaswell keep the wires and speakers as they are pretty good for me anyway.

    Well what do you think. Help a divvy.
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  2. clarky78

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    Yeah, you can use them, but don't expect much from them, and they'll have poor power handling.

    Probably won't be able to use the sub though, depending on it's connection type.
     
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    Thanks for the reply Clarky.

    When you say poor power handling can i ask Why is this?
    Is it just because they are crap or the wrong connections.

    Will it be worse than what i already hear. Which is good enough for me. I cannot really turn it up loud because of the house next door :( but it's still good enough for me.

    LMK
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    Right.
    Went in to a store near me asking questions.
    I am seriously looking at
    Pioneer 530 HDDrecorder http://www.avland.co.uk/pioneer/dvr530/dvr530.htm
    Pioneer 415 or 515 amp.http://www.avland.co.uk/pioneer/vsx415/vsx415.htm
    OR
    Denon avr 1706 http://www.avland.co.uk/denon/avr1706/avr1706.htm
    Mission ms6 subwoofer
    + my old speakers from the old system.

    Will this be good enough?

    The sub i have is bare wire also and he told me to add it to the front speaker, this will work. Will it?

    he also said that the sound will be any better than what i get from my all in one Pioneer 303

    I will be using the same speakers as what came with my all in one.

    Any good?

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    2 things here.
    1) It may work. However, you'd need to check the impedance of the speakers. If they're 8 ohms and the sub is also 8 ohms, you would end up presenting a 4 ohm load to the speaker terminals which the amp should be able to drive. Whilst this may work for stereo...

    2) It won't work optimally for surround sound. If you look at the back of the 415, you see there's a "sub pre-out". This should go to an active sub. Now since you don't have an active sub, that means the pre-out would have to go to an external amplifier to boost the subwoofer signal before being sent to the two-wire speaker connection of your sub.

    Again, whilst that may well be true for stereo sound and multichannel soundtacks excluding the sub, if you want the sub to work optimally, then you need it amplified.
    In summary, 303 will give more precise subwoofer sound management. The 415 will give you more clout with multichannel sound, but excluding the sub.

    I hope that makes sense :rolleyes:
     
  6. Jed

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    I deffo don't want to lose any sound. Most of my collection is now dts tracks.

    Would this be a better setup with the denon & Mission sub.
    I can get the lot for

    Pionner 530 £299
    Denon avr1706 £200
    Mission MS6 Sub £69

    Will these do?
    What's the best way to cable up with DVD Should i go optical?
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    I cant see a problem with any of those options.

    The sub will connect to the subwoofer pre-out as mentioned above.

    You'll get a better sound no doub't but, what i said regarding the power handling of the speakers was regarding any louder levels. Not crazy loud though.

    Anyway don't worry to much it should be all fine, just moght wanna check what the impendence of your current sats are, should be on the back in ohms.
     
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    Cheers clarky

    Here are the specs on the surround speakers
    Continuous Power Output (RMS)
    Front Center surround 75W per channel (1kHz, 10 % T.H.D. 6 Funny symbol (Think it may be ohms)

    Subwoofer 75w (100Hz, 10 % T.H.D. 6 Funny symbol

    Continuous Power Output
    Front, Center, Surround....62 W per Channel

    Maximum input power 75W

    Does all that make sense?
    Don;t forget to tell me about how to cable the player up to the amp (Optical or other because most of my discs are :dts: but have sounded fine with my system.)

    Cheers Jed
     

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