Shower drain problem.....I think!

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  1. safcalibur

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    Hi guys,

    In our family bathroom we have a shower that was leaking (Shower tray wasnt installed properly by the guy who changed it and its not sealed properly either so water gets through the gap and has caused a damp patch on ceiling below) and as such has been out of use for over a year now (yes I know, must sort it out!!) Its very rarely used anyway as we have our en suite which we use for showering etc... so dont really miss having a second a shower. There is a bath in the family bathroom with shower attachment so thats a last resort.

    Anyway, I woke up this morning as I left the bedroom there was this awful smell coming from the family bathroom. I went in had a quick check around, nothing obvious but on closer insepction the smell got worse as I went towards the shower. As I mentioned the shower has been out of use for over a year now maybe more, could it be the water or lack of in the trap that is causing the smell? What would be the best way to get rid of it?

    appreciate any help in advance

    Cheers

    Saf
     
  2. EarthRod

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    You might be right, the water in the shower trap has dried up and the smell from the sewer drainage is now wafting up and into your bathroom.

    Re-fill the shower trap with water hopefully will stop the smell, or cover the shower trap.
     
  3. nheather

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    We have regular problems with the shower tray in our ensuite.

    It doesn't get as bad as what you are experiencing but we have to stay on top of it by unblocking regularly.

    I beleive the problem in our case, and I can imagine it is quite common, if the the tray is quite low profile and is about 2m from the waste pipe - so this doesn't allow much gradient on the pipe between the shower tray and the waste pipe.

    The installer has run the pipe above the floor boards which is good for access but really restricts the gradient that can be acheived.

    Hair is another problem - my wife's more so as it is a lit longer. We found that this was going down the drain, moving slowly because of the gradient a combining with soap to create a blockage. We have found a grill over the shower tray drain helps.

    Cheers,

    Nigel
     
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    We have the same problem since new, lower shower tray installed.
    We have to use plug hole unblocker very regularly.
     
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    I refilled the plug with water and loads of bleach and then duck taped over the hole.
     
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    Out of sight, out of mind ;)
     
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    It's most likely that the trap has dried out as suggested. Either carefully fill the trap with water , or seal the "plug hole." Duct/Duck tape is probably your best option.
     
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  9. safcalibur

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    Thanks for the replies everyone. So shower trap has been filled with water and some bleach, let's see what happens in the morning :)
     
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    Job done! :)
     
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    The annoyance we have with ours is that it never gets 100% blocked.

    But it will get say 90% blocked at times and I suspect it is at least 50% blocked at other times.

    So when at its worst it is enough to let the shower tray flood when having a shower but we can't fill the pipes with bleach or cleaners because it just runs away.

    Most of the pipes are inaccessible either under the tray or fitted units.

    Not sure if there is a trap on the shower drain - if there is it would have to be a tiny one because there really isn't much height to the tray. There will be at least two 90deg bends in the run to the main waste pipe too.

    Cheers,

    Nigel
     
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    If you have long hair in the trap it might be causing the water to siphon out using a combination of capillary action and siphonage.

    This Usually happens with traditional traps like 'S' and 'P' traps but I've seen it happen with shower traps too.

    Nigel- all shower drains have traps. Usually top access traps.
     
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    What - you mean like the OP already did as per post #5 :devil::D

    To be fair he did both already rather than opting for one over the other :)
     
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    I regularly have to fish a wad of hair out of our bath trap. I have access beneath the bath and it isn't too hard to remove the trap to clean. It is amazing how much there is! May be worth trying to hook some out if you have any means to do so.
     
  15. IronGiant

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    That wasn't the OP, that was a suggestion from another member:p:D
    You want post #9, the one after mine :thumbsup:
     
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    Most likely, though no obvious way to get at it on my shower tray.

    But the blockage/constriction isn't there - it is somewhere else along the run.

    Cheers,

    Nigel
     
  17. Wahreo

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    I see, no worries.

    The thing with these top access wastes though- they usually have a little 'cup' within them. Once you get the cup out, you can use a Plumbers snake (or whatever) to rod the waste pipe.
     
  18. nheather

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    How good are the snakes?

    My pipe probably does something like this

    90deg north off the drain/trap
    0.5m to wall
    90deg east
    1.0m to corner
    90deg south
    2.0m to main waste pipe

    So the run is about 3.5m in total and has three 90deg turns

    Cheers,

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    Took this out the other week... Customer asked what it was, well it definitely wasn't down to the husband, who happened to be bald..
     
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    Impressive.....most impressive.
     
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    Well that's embarrassing :facepalm::blush:
     
  22. safcalibur

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    Well so far so good but I've also had the bathroom window open so don't know if it's still properly ponging or not but early signs seem promising! Have shut the window now and will give it a few hours to see if the stench has gone :)

    I know some of you may well and truly be on the edge of your seats so I'll be sure to update later this evening.....oooh the tension I'd palpable!
     
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    I hope that box had a new bath waste in so you didn't have to fish that dead rat out.

    My Ex has long blond hair and I've taken loads of rats out of the wet room waste over the tears. It's amazing she has any hair left on her head plus my daughter has started to do the same thing to my shower.

    I can only dream of such a blockage on a shower I use exclusively.
     
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    Yes, the job was fitting a bath overflow filler kit, I popped them a new anti vac trap on aswell...
     
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    Aaaand.....the smell has gone!!! Hurrah!!! Some bleach and water into the shower trap has done wonders! Now to cover it up so it doesn't stink again and job done. We can all breath a collective sigh of relief :)

    Thank you everyone who helped out :)

    Saf
     
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    Why don't you just run the shower every month?

    It's important to turn a shower on fully and rotate the temperature fully cold and fully hot.

    Just to stop the build up of scale.
     
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    It's just that the shower tray leaks so don't want to risk further damaging the ceiling below by running the shower. Would a bucket of warm water poured carefully down the drain once a month do the trick?

    Cheers

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    Yes it would!

    Doesn't have to be warm though. Just a drop of bleach in there too!

    There are many ways that a Trap loses its water seal and evaporation. Is just one of them.

    Others include:-

    - Self syphonage, where a plug of water is pulling the trap out (unlikely as your shower isn't in use)

    - Induced Syphonage, where another appliance is sucking the trap out.

    - Hair in the trap syphoning the water out.

    That's just from memory after studying it in the early 90's
     
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    Nice one mate, thank you for the advice will probably do the bucket of water once a month just so that there's water flowing through the pipes and making sure the plumbings all working properly (ooer!!).

    Appreciate the input of a professional too (and thanks to the other pros that may have commented).

    Cheers

    Saf
     

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