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Should you buy an electric car? How we came to our decision to buy one.

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Stuart Wright, Mar 9, 2017.

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    There is only one cost option and that's any colour paint costs £500 or so extra, except white which is at the price quoted. All the other choices are simply between the Premium and the Premium SE, the latter having leather and some other bells and whistles. As a retail buyer, without any difficulty you can order a white Premium SE for £25600 (with no negotiation, no "salesman") here: IONIQ 28Kwh Premium SE 5 Doors Electric DCT with the standard distance selling added advantage of cancellation up to two weeks after delivery!
    Yes, £26795 is RRP OTR with the grant already applied.
     
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    Can you still get the free chargers at home?

    We had one fitted to our previous house due to the free installation about 2-3 years ago maybe.

    I had always planned on getting an EV and since it was free, I got one put in.

    I'd since moved but cant find any details if this is still available.
     
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    It's about 299 now. For a 30A. Renault (not sure about Nissan) offer them for less. Surprised you managed to get the free one without an EV. Normally needs the V5.
     
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    Interesting. The Ioniq EV seems to be at a curious point because delivery times are months and vague (I still don't know *when* in June it's coming), which is a disincentive for any prospective purchaser. And demand is limited because they are both new (with apparently little public awareness) and have a limited market. And maybe people who *do* know about EVs might be hanging on for the 2018 Ioniq with 200+ mile range.
    So I'm speculating that if a dealer is keen on meeting any particular sales target, you might be able to negotiate a good deal. Presumably Hyundai have an expectation of their dealers to sell cars?
    It's also difficult to know how motivated dealers/manufacturers are to sell electric cars given that they might be resistant to change from their core petrol and diesel offerings.
    I phoned round Hyundai dealers nearest to me and only a limited number sell the EV. Happens that the nearest were happy to bring the car to us and do a good deal.
     
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    The used prices of the leaf are ridiculous. Having just started looking into leases, I thought I'd check used. 6 months old with 1k miles is about £16k and 2 years old with 15k miles around £7k! That is some mighty depreciation!!!
     
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    Yeah they are an insanely good 2nd hand buy because the range has increased this year so no one wants the 100mile version. I don't think used i3s are quite so cheap but they must be dropping too.
     
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    I did find a nearly new i3 without REX for £17k too.
     
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    Hyundai are giving me mine.
     
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    This is a deal breaker for me unfortunately. My wife has become so conditioned to this feature on our Leaf that she wouldn't be happy with anything less.

    I'm keen on an Ioniq as our next car when we change the Leaf in a few years but losing the 360 camera might mean I'm restricted to whatever Nissan have at that point.
     
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    The Ioniq Premium SE has the rear view camera and the front sensors, which personally is better than just the rear sensors we currently have on the Audi, so it feels to us like we're upgrading. But I do like the 360 camera for the interesting technology (stitching together camera views from front, back and under the wing mirrors) as well as it's usefulness.
    I'm also swayed, however, by the safety features like adaptive cruise control, lane assist, auto emergency braking and blindspot warnings.
     
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    Yes, I'm pretty sure that includes the government payout.
    Been to Nissan today and they offered £264 per month over 3 years PCP for a brand new Leaf Acenta with a 30 KWH battery (includes £5k for car trade in). Includes free charge point at home. Then trade it in for a new car in 3 years. Quite tempted. I'm loathe to buy one as the battery technology is improving so quickly.
     
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    Similar to our offer for a 24kWh, but our deposit was much smaller so about the same.

    Still wondering whether we should have gone for the 30, but it was a lot more a month for the one or two times a year we needed the full range.
     
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    That's the thing. I think most people want a longer range than they actually need.
    Might be worth advising people make a note of how many miles they drive a day for a month or so. See how it turns out.
     
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    Mrs IG does 10-15 miles a day, the only time her car does more is if we visit family in Cambridge or Leatherhead, both pushing it for any affordable EV without a recharge. The only issue is that the 30kWh might make it easily to the other end, the 24KWh might need topping up before we got there. Time will tell. Either way, who wants to visit their parents and have to stay there for 8 hrs before you can leave ;)
     
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    More seriously, there are high speed chargers nearby but we'd have to sit there for 30 mins plus...
     
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    My supplier said that Hyundai had stopped free chargers for Ioniq...but i decided i wanted a Pod Point and filled in their online order form...and they are supplying it FOC...as i guess they are Hyundai's supplier/partner for charge points so they get the price back off Hyundai...anyway..for me, it's going to be FOC....
     
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    If the electric is your second car then of course your ICE car can be used for longer journeys and 'caught by surprise' off-the-cuff journeys.

    However if, like me, you only have one car then the EV is not yet an option - not until a fairly long journey and return can be done in very cold, rainy, night-time conditions without worrying about stops for recharging.
     
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    If the journey includes (or can include) motorway service stations at strategic points then you can use the Ecotricity chargers and live with the EV.
     
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    Nissan are still supplying a free ICE vehicle to borrow for longer trips, but obviously this has to be planned well in advance.
     
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    I've done plenty of long journeys using motorway chargers. I wouldn't want to do any that involved more than one stop in each direction very often but it's certainly workable. Would I think the same if we only had one car and that was my only choice though? Probably not. All depends how often you really need to do those longer journeys. The money saved on fuel can easily fund a few car hires a year even if you didn't care about the environmental benefits, which I'm happy to pay extra for.
     
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    I think a new Leaf is due to be unveiled in September for release next year. Rumours are it will do over 200 miles. I think I may wait.
     
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    A Tesla Model S 100D has a real life range of 300 miles already, coupled with Teslas superchargers that can add 200 miles of range in 30 minutes EVs already have enough range for even surprise trips using current battery tech. With Tesla new battery packs been developed for Model 3 they have increased energy density by another 30% so that 300 mile range could go to closer to 400 by the end of this year!!

    It's purely price of batteries that's limiting range not the tech, and as with all things tech will tumble as mass production really kicks in.
     
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    It's maybe not an obvious option like it is for a second car, but it is possible.

    I live in rural Ireland and we are a 1 car (Leaf) household.

    I've driven Donegal to Cork and back (300 miles each way) just to prove it could be done. That said I won't make that trip again as it was a pain in the ass.

    However most of my annual 15k miles is straightforward. Work and back 25 miles, visiting family 45 mile round trip.

    If I need to go to Belfast it's a 90 mile each way trip, but there is a convenient fast charger half way and I would normally stop there for 10 minutes anyway so extending that stop to 20 minutes isn't a major inconvenience. I'd say I'm in Belfast maybe 4 times a year.

    I do Dublin once or twice and that can be done with 2 stops so a little more hassle, but none of those inconveniences are that significant when you consider that I'm saving £1800 a year on fuel costs.
     
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    Last I heard was that the Base model will be 40kwh and 160-170 is more likely.

    Yet to be seen if there is a bigger battery option to take it beyond 200 miles.
     
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    I can't remember if you bought new or second hand, either way, how is your battery holding up?
     
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    How much does a motorway full charge cost?
     
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    About £6 at most stations, but depending on who runs them there are subscription services which are worth it if charging away from home on a regular basis. Still trying to figure it all out myself :)
     
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    I bought a 2014 24kwh Leaf.

    35k miles on it now and the battery still tip top.

    Alan public charging is still free in Ireland so the Cork trip cost me nothing.
     
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    Says a 300 mile range is not out of the question here:
    All-new Nissan Leaf spied revealing sharp new look

    Next-gen Nissan Leaf aims for 340-mile range | Autocar

    I was also looking into charging points. You can charge at my nearest Ikea for £6, but if you shop in the Ikea you get a £6 discount off your shopping, so effectively free.
     
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    You mean the Irish taxpayer is paying for your fuel (charging)?

    Are you happy with that? ;)
     

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