Should my front and rear high speakers be designated as Heights or Tops (i.e. above for Atmos) in 5.2.4 system?

OLEDed

Standard Member
I just spoke with a sound specialist at SVS and he said to place my Prime Elevations directly above the SVS Ultra Surrounds and NOT to move the Ultras which like a little breathing distance between them and the outboard wall. Of course, that recommendation might not hold for other speakers with different designs since the Ultras have speakers facing both ways, one face to the listener, one that bounces off the outboard wall.
I would definitely move them out even if they will be close to the wall. I don't agree with them about leaving them where they are. They should be right above where your towers will be when watching movies. Please try it this way, I think you will like it much better. Also you can put slider pads on the bottom of your speakers so they will be easy to move back and forth.
 

wmlaven

Standard Member
The Prime Elevations heights in the front stage will be right above the FL/FR towers and the Primes on the back will be the same distance apart. The question wasn't about moving the Primes since that'll definitely be done. The question is whether to move the surrounds since once the Elevations have been moved outboard in the rear they will be directly above the surrounds. So the SVS person said to leave the surrounds where they are even after I've moved the Elevation height speakers and that having the height speakers correctly placed relative to the front stage and still directly above the surrounds in the rear doesn't matter. It's hard to explain so I hope this second explanation clears it up.
 

gibbsy

Moderator
Atmos speakers should be placed above and inline with the front left and right speakers. However almost every living room set up has to make some kind of compromise somewhere. Yours is the placement of those Atmos speakers. They will be fine when you move the fronts into your preferred positon.

The audio will be coming from above so exact placement is that important as it will still travel in the Atmos domain so there won't be any gaps in the soundstage. More important to have good separation between the base level and those Atmos speakers which you have achieved.
 

wmlaven

Standard Member
Atmos speakers should be placed above and inline with the front left and right speakers. However almost every living room set up has to make some kind of compromise somewhere. Yours is the placement of those Atmos speakers. They will be fine when you move the fronts into your preferred positon.

The audio will be coming from above so exact placement is that important as it will still travel in the Atmos domain so there won't be any gaps in the soundstage. More important to have good separation between the base level and those Atmos speakers which you have achieved.
Fortunately, I've got room to move the Atmos height speakers both front and rear so the front are directly above the towers which I'll move outboard and I'll move the rear heights to that same distance apart.
 

gibbsy

Moderator
Fortunately, I've got room to move the Atmos height speakers both front and rear so the front are directly above the towers which I'll move outboard and I'll move the rear heights to that same distance apart.
Sounds like a plan. :smashin:
 

X4100

Active Member
I'm in agreement, once you do that you are going to experience great atmos audio! I hear sounds coming from rear heights towards the front height, as well as side to side up above. I know YouTube is just stereo, but my desktop PC is connected via HDMI to my AVRx4100 denon. I enjoy watching and mainly listening to some of the movie shorts with DSU, try this one
 

X4100

Active Member
Some people will say don't waste your time with YouTube, but I'm just saying try this video and hear what DSU UPMIXING can do with plain old stereo
 

X4100

Active Member
You're going in the right direction my friend, I really love it when we get together for the purpose of helping others to achieve the best from their setup! I want to thank everyone who has been there keeping this thread alive. As you can see I'm new here, and having hard time finding my way to the different threads. I'm trying to find what some people hear from top configuration, that they don't hear from height configuration. Some say aim overhead speakers towards MLP, which I do, while others say let them face straight forward.????? :thumbsdow :confused::facepalm:
 

OLEDed

Standard Member
You're going in the right direction my friend, I really love it when we get together for the purpose of helping others to achieve the best from their setup! I want to thank everyone who has been there keeping this thread alive. As you can see I'm new here, and having hard time finding my way to the different threads. I'm trying to find what some people hear from top configuration, that they don't hear from height configuration. Some say aim overhead speakers towards MLP, which I do, while others say let them face straight forward.????? :thumbsdow :confused::facepalm:
At the end of the day you should just do whatever sounds the best to you. Don't get hung up on "the right way" to do things. Just follow the general principles and then make fine adjustments to your taste. There are many schools of thought on home theater, speaker placement and the lot but only you can decide what you like. You are going in the right direction.
 

X4100

Active Member
:facepalm::censored:At the end of the day you should just do whatever sounds the best to you. Don't get hung up on "the right way" to do things. Just follow the general principles and then make fine adjustments to your taste. There are many schools of thought on home theater, speaker placement and the lot but only you can decide what you like. You are going in the right direction.
That's what I'm about! Thanks sssssoo much, I've got to remove Timon's picture now. Sorry for misunderstanding your earlier comment :censored::censored::censored::censored:
 

X4100

Active Member
I'm aware that the above video is intended for earphones, but the point is to enjoy the upmixing capabilities of DSU
 

wmlaven

Standard Member
I replaced my entire front stage with SVS speakers and also moved the fronts outboard of where they were - they're now 9' apart, not 5' apart as seen in the original post. Pinnacles as FL & FR, Ultra Center, Prime Elevations as heights and a PB-1000 Pro up front and another behind the MLP. Everything sounds FAR superior both because of the improved speakers and for widening the front stage considerably. Rear of the 5.4.2 includes SVS Ultra Surround as more Prime Elevations as rear heights. Thanks, all, for your advice.
 

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X4100

Active Member
This really looks great, have you rewatched a movie from your previous setup? What do you notice that is different? By the way please don't forget to redo your audio calibration
 

wmlaven

Standard Member
While the SVS Ultra Bookshelves are great speakers, the Pinnacles are better so there's that. Wonderful mid-tone separation and far stronger bass. And the much wider front stage creates just that, a wider front stage that's more enveloping, mor engaging with greater separation. I've been listening to a bunch of Apple Atmos music of late and a wonderful recording of a string quartet was light years more vibrant than it was on my old set up. And then the usual suspects for Atmos testing - scenes from Unbroken, Mad Max Fury Road, Blade Runner 2049, Interstellar and 1917. As with music, there was a much richer tonality and a wider more enveloping stage all around since the heights were moved outwards also. I've adjusted all the distance settings already and will have the system tuned with REW and a miniDSP which will fine tune everything.
 

X4100

Active Member
Glad to hear from you, and your results! I really enjoy the experiences that posters share on this thread
 

Dobbyisfree

Well-known Member
I'm probably too late to the party here, but if you don't listen to much music, why don't you mount FL/FR to the doors with cables connecting hinge side? You could use KEF T Series or even better the wall mount Klipsch. If crossed over correctly, I'm sure it could do a good job, give the necessary dispersion and not require large biceps for each film viewing!

If music is important, you could leave the floorstanders there for music anyway.
 

X4100

Active Member
Personally I favor his setup the way it is now, tower speakers add a bit more depth to the experience IMO. Just saying :clap::D
 

Dobbyisfree

Well-known Member
Personally I favor his setup the way it is now, tower speakers add a bit more depth to the experience IMO. Just saying :clap::D

True, I've never met @wmlaven but I've seen a picture:

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X4100

Active Member
WOW!! you get a double benefit using tower speakers, Lol. I have a large pair of older bookshelves from the late 70's, I can't move them, so I'm leaving them where they are!!
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Dobbyisfree

Well-known Member
They just don't make 'em like they used to.
 

X4100

Active Member
But seriously, I love the sound of large speakers setup as small, letting the subwoofer do the heavy lifting. I'm sure @wmlaven is having a great time.
 

wmlaven

Standard Member
As a follow up to the flurry of recent posts. While I wish my biceps looked like that, they're more like chopsticks. However, each tower sits on four 3 1/2"diameter furniture mover circular pads which are 3/4" thick rubber with felt on the bottom so the speakers glide across the wooden floor. They do double duty to decouple the speakers from the floor like sound isolation pads. It's not clear from the pics, but speakers any wider would be blocked by furniture outside the frame of the photo. And I love these SVS Prime Pinnacle towers. 3-ways with three woofers and, yes, set to small, so the two subs do the heavy lifting, but the tower subs still provide nice smooth bass.
 

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