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should I upgrade my component cable?

Discussion in 'Blu-ray & DVD Players & Recorders' started by Jules, Aug 12, 2003.

  1. Jules

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    I'm using a Denon DVDA1 connected to a Sony VW11 projector
    with a 10 metre Profigold component cable.
    The cable was sold to me with the projector at what I was told was cost price (£80). If true, I'd guess it would normally cost about £150?
    I don't know how the cable I have compares with others, but I've seen people here mention paying £300 for some brands, and this sounds a bit excessive even for me.... or is it?

    With a £2500 DVD player, should I upgrade?

    My reason for asking is that I want to connect my old Pioneer 737 via component aswell (the VW11 has 2 component inputs).

    I wondered whether I should make a cheaper cable for the Pio737 and keep the ProfiGold for the Denon A1, OR keep the Profigold for the Pio737 and buy or make a better one for the Denon A1.

    What shoudl I do?
     
  2. Matt Horne

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    Try out a cable from www.scorpioncables.com its made by one of the members here and has got many great reviews. One guy rated it better than the award winning Supra AV3.. and prices start from £60 (for a metre) I already use the digital and sub cables. Maybe worth looking into.. I expect it to wipe the floor with the profigold!.

    This is mainly down to the combination of the cable and canare connectors...

    HTH

    Matt
     
  3. vonhosen

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    I use bettercable's Silver Serpent & they are great (few others here use them as well)

    Joe Fernand on these forums is now a bettercables dealer.
     
  4. Jules

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    Thanks guys,

    Pete, those cheap cables do look remarkably similar to the Profi Gold. Perhaps a tad smaller in diametre, but I see your point!

    Ok, I do need some new cable.
    Those Scorpion cables are £54 per metre! Doesn't that make it about £400 - £500 for 10 metres? !! Naah!

    I'm not afraid of a soldering iron, and I've already made my own subwoofer cable. However my technique is shakey (literally) and I'd probably end up with weak contacts and solder all over the plugs.
    But I work near a Maplins store, and if anyone knows of the right materials to make a fantastic cable at a silly price I'd probably give it a go.

    Otherwise, what bout IXOS or QED? Nowhere appears to sell anything in 10 metre runs. Where would I find them and for how much?
     
  5. groundy

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    Hi Jules,

    Just to come in on this point. The 1m pricing is a base cost that is built upon. Email me from the site for actual quotes but 10m runs would come in at under £150 :).

    QED will do you custom lengths if you contact them direct. However their component cables in 10m will be wildly expensive.
     
  6. Jules

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    Thanks Groundy.

    The Scorpion cables do look enticing, and I've emailed you for a quote.
    I am slightly concerned however that after doing a bit of hunting on these forums, they are only ever mentioned by the same handful of people who appear to have been involved with them.
     
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    Jules,

    I can assure you there is nobody on these forums or elsewhere involved with Scorpion Cables but me. May I ask what gave you teh impression otherwise? All comments are genuine by customers who have purchased cables at the full price. Scorpion Cables has only been up and running for a short period of time and the customer base thus far is relatively small. I can point you in the direction of many more varied opinions via email.
     
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    I can stand up and be counted as a happy Scorpion customer too Jules. I had already had dealings on the Classifieds section with Groundy before I ordered a Scorpion Component cable, but I didn't even realise that Groundy is Paul from Scorpion!
    The cables are great, I replaced a Supra component cable, which was great in it's own right, but the Scorpions are even better. You mention your skill with a soldering iron, well that is the problem with most video leads, they don't have true 75ohm inpedance due to the design of the plugs and the fact that they are soldered. Scorpion use unique crimped plugs. I only have a one metre cable, so absolute 75ohm probably isn't quite as critical, but a 10m run? Well at that length every little helps, and with your equipment, why compromise on the very thing that tansports the excellent signal available from a DVD-A1?:smashin:
     
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    Another forum member, Mark Grant makes marvellous cables too. Search this, the plasma, and the DIY forums for his name and you should get a lot of posts.

    I've got some of his Silver Serpent Reference a-like Component cable, a digital audio coax, power cables, and the Sky power cable; and the quality of both signal and build is excellent.

    The rest of my non-power AV cables are BetterCables.com's Silver Serpent (previously supplied from USA, recently supplied from Joe Ferdinand at TMF).

    I've yet to try Scorpion, but will definately give them a go the next time I need a cable.

    StooMonster
     
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    If you found a decent product wouldn't you mention it to others? The cables Paul makes up are excellent and well deserve the praise they are receiving.
     
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    Scorpion cables are made from the best profressional components for the job (75ohm cable and connectors with very low attenuation of video frequencies) - i'm very happy with them - they do the job they are designed for and do it very well.

    I'm not biased in any way I just believe they are good cables, much better than Ixos, QED and Monster.
     
  12. Jules

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    Thanks everyone.

    I was just being careful, but now I'm convinced and will take the plunge.
    Thanks Groundy. I'll be in touch.
     
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    To get up and running I went to Maplins and got some 75ohm shielded coax with their own brand gold plated phono's. An hour or so later with a shakey soldering iron and all was well.

    Cable was about £1 per meter connectors £1or £2 each.

    Very cheap and picture looks great to me BUT I have not compared this to a 'quality' cable. I would be interested to see the difference but would not want to spend £150 for no discernable improvement.

    Have you thought about making some cheap cables like this and comparing them to your existing ones? Having got used to a 'better' cable, would you see a difference?
     
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    I use Transparent cables and from what I have tested they can't be beaten (IMO) - however they are not cheap! Maybe search on ebay - they do come up now and again.
     
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    Another thumbs up for Scorpion cables from me!
     
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    I recently made a comparison using scart to 4 rgb composit sync I had two different makes one was from keene electronics the other was from chord.the one from keene was £29.99 the other was £135.I could see no difference in qaulity whatsoever.
    As for component cables the american company blue jeans cable offer broadcast quality cable at very reasoable prices and the service from them is excellent
     
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    Hi,

    I will second what alwyn said, Blue Jeans Cable are excellent. :smoke:

    Steve
     
  18. Nic Rhodes

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    Groundy is doing nothing magical, he is simply selling at a good price the best plugs and best cable you can get, a few of us have been saying this for years,but he was the bright one who commercialised it. You can't do better despite what the competition might tell you.
     
  19. Jules

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    Well, just got my 10 metre component cable from Scorpion Cables.
    I wasn't going to try it until weekend but thought, what the heck.

    Using my old Profigold cable I was never blown away with Progressive scan, but I've clearly been missing out.
    Using the new Scorpion component cable the image is clean, colourful, smooth and with masses of detail that were clearly being masked by the old cable in progressive scan.

    Thanks Groundy. Great service, great packaging, great cable, great price!

    Jules
     
  20. groundy

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    Thanks for the comments Jules :).

    Oh and Nic, why are you always right ;) :D.
     
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    hi there, I have some ixos component cables (they are yellow ones from seven oaks....). Would i be better of getting better component cables or replacing the power lead on my dv88p+ ??

    I'm willing to try some of these cables if i could be guarented to see an improvement - do you have such a guarente?

    Also, I get very faint wavering lines that run from right to left across my screen. They are not often visible unless i am too close to the screen anyway.

    I have thought about putting 3 filters in the signal path however these are not cheap at about £30 each from Mini circuits (Mini Circuit Part number: BLP-15-75). Do any of these scorpion cables have filters such as these?

    thanks

    CaM
     
  22. groundy

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    CaM, it wouldn't be right for me to further promote my own cables on this thread. Please contact me directly via the website for the answers to your questions.
     
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    ok, now worries - will do.

    thanks

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    Crrys sell a JVC component cable for 16 pounds and it does the job.


    Tosh 330 and Pany 33PD30 aquity TV

    Azz
     

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