Discussion in 'General Chat' started by signs, Mar 19, 2006.
Decided to set up a poll - Should horses be allowed on our public roads ? (excluding police horses)
CLicked the wrong button I meant to click yes they should be allowed on public roads.....
Think I've fallen into the same trap.
so that's 2 to be added to be the 'yes' they should be allowed vote (and of course 2 deducted fron the 'no' vote)
YES i thought the poll said should horses be "banned" not allowed, teaches me to read before posting...............
I have PM'd stuart to ask him to change it if he can.
I do think all riders should pass a test to be on the public highway and where correct equipment both the rider and horse, i think the same about bicycles and other unliscencsed road users who pay not tax or insurance to use the roads
yes I would agree with that mate.
Seeing as road tax doesn't pay for roads I don't see how that is relevant. It annoys me when people think that cyclists (in fact non car drivers of any description) should not be allowed on the road. Does that mean that people who don't pay income tax and/or national insurance should not be allowed to use hospitals?
well said sir!
Grow UP, road tax is a tax for using the roads yes i think all road users should pay, horse riders should pay a £10 annual fee not much but enough to cover the admin costs etc, as should cyclists (ie those who are not legally allowed to use the pavement!) and they should have basic insurance cover this could be included in the tax fee. the biggest point is about road user training i am fed up with moronic cyclists cycling at night with no lghts or refelctive clothing who if thry fall off are in trouble big style yet it would still be the vehicle drivers fault in an incident, i also feel that blood alchohol limits should apply to all road users (thats rider and horse! )
As for hospitals thats a different matter entirely quite the reverse in fact!
PM stuart he can remove your incorrect vote but not give ou your vote back
I'm all for proper training, not sure how paying £10 a year helps anybody though. We all pay enough taxes anyhow, horse riders, cyclists, etc will typically have cars as well and probably also pay council tax.
true but you cant have 1 tax disc and 2 cars on the road, i feel that all road users should have to be trained, registered and contirbute financially, I have quite an equestrian background and also cycled to uni for a couple of years so i know all 3 sides of the fence, a bit like the Honda advert every body hates tractors.
But what really grates me is holier than thou cyclists with no comprehension of road sense or signalling. who use the pavement when it suits them and run red lights when they want while putting them selves in danger by cutting up trafic and weaving about.
. We all pay enough taxes anyhow, horse riders, cyclists, etc will typically have cars as well and probably also pay council tax.[/QUOTE]
i have a car, motorbike,and three company vans.i have to pay road tax for each vehicle! if you use roads you have to pay.
yes, directly or indirectly you have to pay. I don't disagree. I just hate paying this (or any) government tax.
But what really grates me is holier than thou cyclists with no comprehension of road sense or signalling. who use the pavement when it suits them and run red lights when they want while putting them selves in danger by cutting up trafic and weaving about.[/QUOTE]
yeh and when you get five or six together why do they dress like "power rangers"
no idea but please stop deleting the
Anyone else thinking what a curiously emotive subject this has turned into?
just had a look in the english dictionary...yes....
Go on then, I'll buy it: which words did you need to look up.
all of them
Going to put a film on - catch you later
(great banter !)
Oh very mature, telling me to grow up! Most responsible cyclists and probably horse riders do have insurance. Cyclists need it so they can sue the idiots that run them over! I do agree though that there are a large number of idiots on bikes who give other cyclists a bad name.
But then there are a large number of car drivers who have no tax or insurance and don't know how to use lights (especially fog lights) so what do you propose to do about them?
BTW have you ever read any motoring magazines that give you a break down of where your road tax goes? The fact is that most tax does not go where it's meant to, whether that's National Insurance, Road Tax or whatever. Therefore anybody that pays tax in any form has a right to use any public service (which a road is). if you want to have a proper system of paying for road usage then scrap the so called road tax and have toll roads. Or if you want to keep cyclists and horses of these roads, put the tax on petrol so the heaviest users pay the most.
As the wife and i now live in the country with several riding schools nearby we see more than our fair share of horses, and very nice they are too. However i do have 2 small issues with them -
Firstly, there is rightly much pressure for dog owners to "poop scoop" after their animals, but i'd be keen to know why no-one ever mentions this for horses. For some reason the lane beside our house seems to be a popular "dumping site" for the local equine population and to come out on a sunny summer's day to find a fresh, steaming and stinking pile in the middle of the road, with a load of flies who think their birthday has come early isn't very pleasant. This also usually takes a couple of weeks to dissipate if there's no rain.
Secondly, there is a disused railway line near us that is used by cyclists, walkers and horse riders all year round. Now, as something of an off-road fan i am well used to the flak from people who accuse green laners of churning up the countryside, but i can assure you all that the horses that pass up and down this right of way do just as much damage to the path than a Land Rover does to a track, yet no-one ever complains.
Simple -dog excrement carries the threat of Toxicara which can send children blind.Horse manure is nowhere near as offensive.
as for your second point yes hoses hooves do carve up bridle ways but then they were intended for horse use anyway and it looks as though that disused line has been adopted as a bridleway.
I suggest using it in the summer
But surely the huge cloud of flies that are enjoying the horse manure are highly likely to have "visited" some dog excrement as well??
Just one further point, go to direct.gov.uk and you'll notice it's now called VEHICLE tax not road tax. It's calculated in scales be how polluting a vehice is. Cycles and horses hardly pollute (except for the sh*t that the horses drop on the road and I guess cycle oil is a pollutant but it's not anywhere near the scale of car emissions).
As far as I know local authorities are responsible for maintaining local roads that cyclists are likely to use so surely this is paid for by your council tax. After all, they're not allowed on motorways!
Flies get everywhere and you cant get too obsessed with them or with germs but it has been shown time again that if kids come into contact with dog pooh then the threat of them going blind is very real which is why we have dog wardens and a concerted campaing to clean up.
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