Shakespeare & Hathaway: Private Investigators

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  1. Garrett

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    No sure about the title. When I first saw the thread ... I immediately thought it was a new show in the Inspector Morse universe, carrying on with Lawrence Fox's James Hathaway from Lewis. Then there's Shakespeare, well that's just gimmicky.
     
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    I have to say William Shakespeare wife looks bloody good for her age I wonder if that's her picture in the attic on the left.:rolleyes::laugh:
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    more like ...

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    Mark Benton's in it so I'll give it a go.

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    I completely forgot about this. Was it any good?

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    About as twee as twee could be. But if you're in the mood for a bit of twee then it fits the bill nicely.
     
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    I did not watch it I was watching The Big Valley with guest stars L Q Jones, Dean Stanton and Bruce Dern who only just been in it a week last Friday but as a different character but that's what you get showing them every day.
     
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    I haven't watched today's yet but caught a bit of it. It's another BBC daytime show in 5.1 surround. Why do most/all of these afternoon dramas have better sound than the vast majority of their primetime output?

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    I saw Mondays and today's it does seem a bit of afternoon fluff. As to Mondays
    how the hell did she get all that blood all over her if the body was on the ground, there was more on her than the body.
    As today's the two killers sounded just like Hale and Pace.
     
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    I saw my first episode tonight. It wasn't all bad but I was less than impressed. It was great to see Sheila Steafel and Timothy West though. The 5.1 sound was very poor at times. More distracting than enhancing.

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    Watched the whole series now. Don't know why, didn't even deserve to be a guilty pleasure.

    Although many able actors were involved, it does seem everyone was instructed to only give hammed up campy pantomime performances.
     
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    I gave up on it even though there were some very good actors in in it. I still have one or two of them on my hard drive but I'll probably just wipe them.

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    Oh look, more of our licence fee is being spent on it ...
     
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    This follows a hugely successful launch series which generated exceptional audience feedback and was met with widespread critical acclaim.


    Really!!!! What did I miss?

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    Probably very cheap, with international sales potential as a quaint family friendly English detective show with a Shakespeare connection (surnames, a few quotes, and his hometown).
     
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    Hmmm, I seem to be in a minority of one here as I loved it!

    Here's my review on Amazon:

    "Snooty TV critics hate daytime telly with a vengeance and they are usually justified in doing so: it mostly seems to comprise of fairly mindless shows on house buying, antiques, cooking and straight-to-TV films starring actors you've never heard of. You know, decent production values and all but nothing that will frighten the horses.

    And I must admit that on the surface, "Shakespeare & Hathaway" does nothing much that is outside that fixed agenda. However, get drawn into its quirky, self-contained world and it's hard to resist its charms.

    For a start, the three leads are tremendous with terrific chemistry. Their characters are appealing and consistent in their actions and nobody goes off on long, dull monologues. Secondly, and in relation to my first point, the show is tightly scripted and briskly edited with a run time of only 45 minutes; there's just no room for flab or endless establishing shots that can fill up a 60 minute programme. And in relation to my second point, most episodes only feature 10-11 characters, so all the conversations feel necessary to move the story along, no one appears who's not meant to be there. It also makes it far easier to keep track of people! And finally, Stratford-Upon-Avon is also a character in its own right with its beautiful setting, locations and architecture.

    Why only four stars after all this praise? Some of the stories, for me, seemed too fantastical and rooted in unreality to be truly convincing as plausible cases. In this respect, "The Coroner" was a better and far more believable programme.

    But Debbie Wiseman's music and theme tune are top quality and it's gratifying to have each episode self-enclosed and concluded each time. And isn't it nice that you can actually have a male/female partnership with no love interest involved? Of course, crime and death is no laughing matter, so the schedules are full of gritty, depressing dramas full of unappealing characters and awash with sex, violence and swearing. This probably reflects reality much more, but sometimes it's nice to just escape all that doom and gloom, and "Shakespeare & Hathaway" perfectly fits the bill.

    I just wish BBC boxsets weren't so expensive (£30* for three DVD's!) and they actually gave you some extras for your money! But apart from that, I really enjoyed the programme and felt it was wasted on the daytime schedule: it was entertaining, funny, enjoyable and a lovely slice of daily escapism during its run. Here's hoping for a second series." (*Now £20 on Amazon)

    Yes, it was just a piece of harmless fluff, but that seems to be a rarity these days so I'm glad it's been recommissioned for a second series.
     
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    Nice review Derek. Unfortunately I don't agree with a word of it. I'm not a great one of murder mysteries but I usually like Mark Benton. I was the same with Father Brown, another BBC daytime whodunit with Mark Williams. I gave that a go because I usually like Williams and I largely got away it. In S&H Benton just seemed to be going through the motions. For the first time I felt he had an acting bag of tricks that he was falling back on. I couldn't help but feel his heart and soul wasn't in it.

    I recently rewatched the first series of new Dr Who. Both Mark Benton and Jo Joiner were very good in it but I just couldn't get away with the episodes I saw of S&H. I also hated the music. It reminded me of that dreadful version of Scarborough Fair from the murder solving gardeners show. After your review I might give the couple of episodes still on my hard drive a go after all.

    Is it only available on DVD and not blu? Father Brown has been released on blu, or some it. The 5.1 sound worked better on FB too.

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    I think Benton put in better performances in those Nationwide ads.
     
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    He probably got paid more for those.

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    Brian - I'm not familiar with the previous work of Jo Joyner nor Mark Benton at all, so had no frame of reference beyond this programme.

    I think I just took it for what it was rather than looking for something it wasn't, and I still think "The Coroner" was the better all-round show. And I hated "Father Brown" and "Rosemary & Thyme"! So it really is just all personal taste, some shows just click with you and others leave you stone cold.

    And yes, the BBC are up to their usual tricks of just releasing a bare bones DVD set, not a Blu-Ray nor any extras in sight. It will probably just be 2.0 Stereo as well.
     
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    I know Mark best. He was in the excellent comedy Barbara with Gwen Taylor and Sam Kelly. That's the first time I remember seeing him but he's been in a lot of good stuff since then.

    The broadcast version of S&H was in 5.1 so I'd imagine the DVD will be too.

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    She's certainty a great film and TV composer (Wolf Hall - brilliant!; even the full version of the Andrew Marr Show theme) but I don't think she put that much effort into this one, or was deliberately briefed not to by the producers - just a sufficiently good daytime theme with a quaintness like the show, evoking old English tunes like Greensleeves and Scarborough Fair - does the job.
     
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    Never heard of this show, never seen it, but from what krish has been saying about it I would like to have a peep.

    Shall check Sky catchup and see if it's on there for viewing.

    Maybe it's a bit like the early Midsomer Murders series which many people disliked for its quaintness.
     
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    It's now off iPlayer @Alan CD (watched the final ep last week when iPlayer was saying "last chance") so presumably also off Sky catchup too.
     
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    OK, was only faintly interested anyway.

    Thanks krish.
     
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    I'm not sure that these afternoon shows will be that much cheaper than than their primetime counterparts but they do tend to get repeated a lot. That'll help make them cheaper. Primetime shows rarely get a repeat showing these days.

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    ^^^ see post #14 :)
     
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    I will have seen that first time round but I forgot. :blush: It was part of a link about the confirmation of another Father Brown series in that thread earlier today. I couldn't wait to spread the good news.

    :laugh:
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