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Seven Samurai

Discussion in 'Movie Forum' started by Nike, Aug 30, 2001.

  1. Nike

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    Anyone help with this:<br />R1 (Criterion) Running Time 208mins.<br />R2 Running Time 190mins.

    According to 'Rewind', neither has been cut, but the difference in times is more than can be accounted for by NTSC/PAL running speeds, ie, the R2 still appears to have 10 minutes missing <img src="confused.gif" border="0"> <br />I'd like to see this film and the R2 can be had much cheaper than the Criterion R1, but I hate watching films I know have been cut.

    Anyone account for this difference?
     
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    Hi,

    Having not seen the DVD editions of either region, I can't state why there is a difference in the running times. However, the 208 minute edition, IS definitely the longest known print of "The Seven Samurai" in existance, regardless of what the British Film Institute state.

    This is a well known fact, and fairly frequently noted in many books about the works of Kurosawa. Hence, in my opinion, I think you shold get the R1 edtion, if you can get it. I say that, because as far as I can recall, I think it may have been deleted, though don't quote me on that. <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

    Hope this helps,

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    Thanks for that, amazon.com still have it listed as in stock. Works out about £25 delivered.<br />Play247 have the R2 for £14.99 though.

    I'd still be interested if anyone can account for the missing 10 minutes from a supposedly uncut R2 version.<br />I guess it could mean uncut from the original UK release which could have been cut to start with.
     
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    Hi Again,

    I also forgot to mention this: when "FilmFour" air "The Seven Samurai" on their TV channels, they often air the 210 minute edition. Therefore, if they give the film a 210 minute slot, then surely the 208 minute US DVD would be the same print, and that the 190 minute UK edition is missing some kind of footage somewhere.

    Dirk is right about opening logo's et al, but that still wouldn't account for 10 minutes of missing time. The only other thing that may affect it, is if the end-credits, (I can't remember if there is any?), were speeded up or slowed down. If speeded up for the UK edition, then that would explain the discrepancy. Ditto, if the US DVD credits are slowed down! However, this seems unlikely. I suspect that missing footage is the most likely cause, either through print damage or excised footage from the only existant print, here in the UK.

    Don't forget - there is a much higher chance of a US distributor discovering a presumed-lost "Longer" cut of a movie in a vault somewhere, than here in the UK. Americans tend to preserve films, and lost reels. Outside of the British Film Institute, it's almost unheard of here in the UK.

    Stick to the US edition. At least the Criterion DVD should have some good extras, and the print should be top notch as well. They're not the kind of things that Criterion skimp on!

    Pooch
     
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    As far as I am aware, the Region 2 BFI print is a full length version. The 190 minutes stated on the case is only approximate. I will check the exact length tonight.

    According to my calculations, a 208 minute NTSC print would run approximately 9 minutes shorter on PAL.

    Plus you have to take into account non film related material that is included, such as distributors logo etc.

    Basicly, the BFI copy is a good remastered print with excellent commentary. I would recommend it.
     

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