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Seleco SVD-500 Plus

Discussion in 'Projectors, Screens & Video Processors' started by Lizzard, Mar 12, 2002.

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  1. Lizzard

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    I have been offered a ex-demo SVD-500 Plus for $4000.

    It's been running for about 300hours tube time.

    I've been looking at used Barco but i think they are too big for my situation.


    Is this a good projector and is it a good price for it as i dont want to be ripped off?

    Seleco has got very good reviews in U.K magazines and some people says it's crap, why do they say it's crap?

    Some people told me it's bad component quality, they are like Fiat's, the cars, and some people are very happy with them.

    One thing i have understood is that the the SVD-500 is comparable in performance with the Barco Cine 6.

    I like the design of the Seleco's as they blend into the environment at home very well compared to a Barco 80x model which pretty much explains "I am here and i'm a beast"

    First i was looking to go for a LCD like the Sony 11HT but i didn't like the screendoor effect as i noticed it very much but i liked the sharp picture.

    So i decided to look for a used CRT and although you get very much projector for around $5000 they are very clumsy and takes room and needs two people lifting them.

    Then i saw the Seleco and was in love with their design and that they didn't weight too much either and that they got very good reviews in the magazines.

    It seems like going into the CRT route is a hard beat as whatever you choose you feel like getting ripped off whatever you do.

    I was first thinking of getting a RPTV, the new one from Toshiba and was very convinced that it was for me but then i started to think about all weight from a 50" or bigger RPTV.

    And because i move apartment every year due to my job forces me to work at different locations i needed something that was easy to move with.

    My idea was to buy the Seleco and buy a 82" 16:9 Stewart screen to it.
    Is 100" too big?

    Any recommendation?

    That is my other question, what's the recommendable screen size for the SVD-500?

    I can't controll the daylight to 100% so i need some compromise with the size of the screen and the entertainment factor.

    Do you recommend a Iscan Pro to this CRT?

    Will i be able to run it in 720p?

    I want to maximize the light output of the Seleco so i can watch it in a 50% dark room during day, during evening it's no problem with to get the completely dark.

    I know there was alot of question but i needed to sort my mind out and i hope someone is willing to answer some of my questions before i get freaked out :D
     
  2. Chris Frost

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    Lizzard,
    It is fair to say that the SVD500 scan rate is similar to the Cine 6, but in many other respects it outperforms the Barco (sorry Roland). In a previous job I've won business against Cine7 and Sony D50 with the SVD500.

    As for quality, Seleco have sold more CRT projectors than just about any other manufacturer. This wouldn't have happened if the quality was bad. There are the occasional problems, but no worse than any other manufacturer (and much better than many).

    Because of the popularity there have been some problems with the quality of dealer installations. Poor set-up causes problems. Unfortunately, inexperienced dealers tend to blame the projector first. When set-up well, a 500 will tick along quite nicely.

    Price is tricky to advise on. Because Selecos are sold mainly to Home Theatre enthusiasts they tend to hold their price a little better. Used Barcos (708, 800, 808 etc) are available at lower prices because most spent their lives in corporate boardrooms before being written off against tax.

    300 hours is very little time for a CRT. If you have been offered a 500Plus (progressive scan component input) and the tubes are unmarked then $4k may be good. You need to go look.

    Regards
     
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    Dont forget these things need to be set up professionally and if the above statement was true then you will have to pay for it to be re-setup every time you move unless you learn to do it yourself.

    Darren
     
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    Thanks.

    As i am technician the least problem for me is setting it up as it's not very hard to do it.

    I would never pay for something most people can do anyway, it takes some time at the beginning but rewarding in the end.

    I will go and check the thing out if it's ok.

    I talked with some other guy today and he thought it was too much as he sold a 500 for £3000 3months ago and it was brand new also.
     
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    Hi Lizzard
    The 500 is a fine performer and when installed correctly can produce some stunning images. The problem with Seleco's is that they were a victim of the own success. Alot of projectors were sold from the late 90's on wards and unfortunatly some of the companies who installed the projectors just weren't up to it!
    As a result of the installs from hell some peoples views of the Seleco's were tarnished for good.
    The price for a 500 Plus is some where in the region of around £8,000 new, so you'll have to make your own mind up if you think your getting a good deal. You don't see too many 500's on the S/H market.
    300 hours is very little use. The tubes on a Seleco should run for at least 10000 hours.
    The up converter on the Seleco is approximately 6 years old and was built to a budget, so the idea of using an iscan is probably a good one. I use the iscan with a Seleco and I can report it works very well.
    With regards to the screen size I wouldn't recommend a screen any bigger than 84 inches, which is really the max for a 7 inch tube.
    To acheive the best result you will need to run the PJ in absolute darkness. I use a black out blind, which can be obtained fron any blind specialist for not too much money.
    I can almost hear the Barco owner tut!
    I'm obviously a Seleco owner, so I'm probably slightly biased.
    Don't get me wrong the Barco's are fine machines and if you look at 808 for instance your moving up to a different class of machine.
    Hope this helps.

    popeye
     
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    £3000 for a "brand new" 500 is an absolute bargain. They list at £8800, even with some discount you wouldn't get much lower than £7500.

    A good screen size is 7ft wide (either 4:3 or 16:9) and yes, you should invest in an iScan or some form of line doubler/scaler. I'm a fan of the Quadscan Elite + SVD500. The two work well together and you get better results with Letterbox DVDs than the iScan.

    You won't be able to run at 720p I'm afraid. For that you would need to go up to a Barco 7 or 8 series.

    The SVD500 will tolerate some room light. Just try to stop light falling directly on the screen.

    Finally, set up. If you have some engineering background then you will find converging fairly easy. But don't assume that a DIY job straight from the book will give perfect results.

    I've trained dozens of new Seleco dealers, some with years of Barco and Sony CRT experience. They messed up just as much as rank amateurs. Convergence is a skill that can be learned, but you learn it best when someone shows you. After that it is just practice, practice, practice.

    The UK distributor runs training courses for dealers. Sometimes they do courses for owners too. See if something similar happens near you. Even if it costs $200-$300 then it is money well spent.

    Regards
     
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    Just a warning on run times

    Do not use it as an indication of tube life.

    Yes properly set up and used a CRT should last 7-10,000 hours

    I have just replaces the tubes on 4 Cine 7 projectors because the owners set the contrast and brightness too high. ( the run time on all was less the 200 hours each). the only true way of checking is to take the lenses off and examine the tube surface. The very least you should do is to shine a very bight torch into the lens and look into the corners and sides of the tube face with your nose against the front of the lens.
     
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    Have a look at my screenshots under the post "How do you take nice screenshots", these are pictures of a SV450 with quadscan so should give you some idea of what to expect

    Alan
     
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    Alan, your room looks great. I wish mine was as neat and tidy.

    Cheers

    Nick
     
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    Thanks for your comments, Nick

    Alan
     
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    Another point to make is to check the tubes for any burn in and general condition. Although it may show 300 hours on the clock this may not be correct. I used to have a SVP 310, which was returned to Owl for repair. When it left me it had 510 hours on the clock. When it returned it had none, and it was the same machine, so its certainly posible to reset the run time counter.

    Regards Rob
     
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    That's scarry
     
  13. Chris Frost

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    If the 310 repair involved replacing the projector software Eprom then it is likely that the tube times will be at zero. This info is stored on the Eprom.

    AFAIK, there is no way to advance the tube timers to compensate for this, but Owl do keep comprehensive service records so the history of any S/H projectors can be checked. This would include the run time prior to a software update.

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    The same thing happened to my Seleco after it returned from Owl after a repair. It had very low hours on the clock to start with, however upon being installed again by Owl the clock displayed zero for all tubes.
    I do find this disconcerting because inevitably the integrity of the product is in question. Owls integrity was never in question in my mind as I believe and know them to be an honest and reputable company, however not every one in the projection industry can be placed in Owls catergory!
    I wounder how easy it is for scrupelous buisnesses to clock projectors like dodgy garages have done with cars?



    popeye
     
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    Chris,

    Good to know Owl keep a record of any repairs & previous run times. Certainly worth checking with them if you buy a second hand unit.

    Regards Rob.
     
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