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Second-hand power amps

Discussion in 'AV Pre-Amp/Processors & Power Amps' started by Zepfan, Jan 9, 2005.

  1. Zepfan

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    I'm thinking of purchasing a power amp to take over duties on my front & centre speakers (& L&R rears if a 5-channel amp is purchased) from my Denon 3803. Speakers are all M&K K series. The Denon would continue to power the rears until I can afford to upgrade again.

    I have budget of about £500 which really means looking at the second-hand market. Amps I am currently thinking of are:

    Arcam DiVA P85/3
    Arcam FMJ P25
    Rotel RB 993
    Rotel RB 985 Mk II
    Rotel RMB 1066

    Are there any others I should consider that usually fall within this price range second-hand, and does anyone have any comments on the above possibilities? Are they much-of-a-muchness quality wise or do any stand out?

    Many thanks :)
     
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    Parasound 855/1205 should be within your budget and many people think their better than rotels

    parasound and m&k are a good combination together :thumbsup:
     
  3. Zepfan

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    Thanks. I have looked for Parasound but there doesn't seem to be too many available second-hand - which perhaps says it all. :D
     
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    The Rotel 985 MK II is a good amp and you should be able to get hold of that for quite a bit less than £500 more like £300 - £325. I got one for £300 5 or so months ago.

    Great amp for the money. Mind you for around £500 you are close to being able to get a 1075, some but, not a lot of difference to be honest but it's in a bigger box :)

    Steff

    EDIT: The 993 by the way is brilliant, but unless you get similar matching power amp for the rears ( so 2 x 991 at a later date) it does tend to drown out the rears. Just turning them up doesn't really work as they are to loud in the quiet bits that way :)
     
  5. Zepfan

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    Thanks for the advice. I'm leaning towards a 3-channel at the moment, simply because I have a 6.1 set-up and am thinking when the time comes just add another 3-channel for the rears (i.e. the same amp as the fronts) which should make things well matched.

    Anyone use the Arcam 3-channel beasties? I haven't come across any Rotel 993s recently :thumbsdow
     
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    as one zep to another...

    the 993 is a stonkin amp, tho runs hot (I wouldn't stack them). They do come up, either here or ebay or even pink fish at around £350-400. Add a 991 for £250 and that's an awful lot of amp for £600-700.
     
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    Another vote for the 991 and 993, I picked up my 991 from these forums and the 993 from crtprojectors , though they don't have any at the moment - total around £600. Both do run pretty hot though and need plenty of breathing space.

    The Parasound 1205 is supposed to be better than the 1075, not sure how it compares to the combined 991/993 though (which together are essentially an older 1095)

    EDIT - neither have 12V triggers though if that's important to you.

    Simon
     
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    Zepfan: I have been down the same road as you. If you are looking for a serious upgrade in sound quality, might I tentatively suggest you move away from the Denon 3803. Do a search on my username and you'll find my thoughts and experiences with the 3803 and other kit. But in short, it is quite lifeless compared to some other kit I have owned. You might find your money is better spend on a different secondhand AV amp, or perhaps a processor/power amp combo. I recently saw a Yam A3090 in the classifieds for £175. Whilst it does not have PL2 and all the latest bells and whistles, it does do Dolby Digital and it is night and day better compared to the 3803. Later you could even use it as just a power amp and add a processor!
     
  9. Zepfan

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    Thanks for the thoughts. The idea is ultimately to move to a pre/power combi when funds permit. My impression of the 3803 is that the processing is OK, if not spectacular (I only use it for movies) and that the power amp side lets it down particularly with difficult loads (eg M&K speakers). Hence my wish to replace the power amp side first. Oh to win the lottery!!
     
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    Blimey - that does seem to be a bargain! :clap: Seems almost too good to be true. Anyone using the NAD and care to comment on its performance?
     
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    That NAd amp is a bargain, i borrowed one a couple of years ago with the matching processor. i was blown away with the performance. i think it may be a clone of the Arcam P7 but with only 5 channels. the case work looked very similar. Don't qoute me on that one though.

    Jon
     
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    It's gone! :eek: The NAD from the link above that is.
     
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    Dont forget about the Cyrus smartpower - a very competent little amp that my housemate use to drive the front two channels instead of his Yamaha AV amp. The difference between the two was staggering
     
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    How about a Roksan Caspian 5 Channel.. I picked up mine secondhand from a dealer for £495.
     
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    Are the M&K bi-ampable? If so you could probably pick up an Arcam 10p + 10p3 for £500 to bi amp the left and rights and use the third channel for the centre. I've got no experience with M&K but it works nicely with my Monitor Audios.
     
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    I think M&K only have one set of binding posts, My K4s only have one set.
     
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    You can ignore my idea then! Although the 10p3 is still a great amp and can be had for well under your budget if you're thinking of taking an Arcam route.
     
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    hi zepfan i have a parasound a23 for sale if your interested in silver

    thank you
     
  20. Zepfan

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    Thanks Mick - I'm really looking for a 3 or 5 channel amp though.

    Cheers
     

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