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Second hand PJ's

HEADRAT

Novice Member
OK I'm in the market for a second hand PJ, I wanted a Panasonic AE-100 but IMHO people seem to be asking too much for them second-hand.

I'm reluctant to buy a AE-100 new as they are soon to be replaced by AE-200 and AE-300, obviously you still can by them new in the UK for around £1200 with 3 year warranty. To be honest I think I'd buy a Sanyo PLV-Z1 rather than an AE-100 as they are around the same price and the Sanyo is a new model..

What do you think a fair price for a second hand AE-100 would be, I think £1000 is far too much for a secondhand purchase, its far too close to the new price to make it worth buying..

I'm not trying to fleece people, just pay of fair second hand price for what is very close to being a discontinued product in the UK ?

Cheers

HEADRAT
 
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Kramer

Guest
Discontinued or not, the AE-100 has proven itself as an excellent home cinema PJ.

It will be current until at least March '03, when the AE-200 will be released. The AE-300 may not be released in Europe.

The differences between the 100 & 200 are negligable - just because there's a new model available doesn't mean it's any better than the older one.

Most peeps paid more than £1220 for their AE-100s, so are not prepared to lose >35% of their purchase price for a respected/perfectly functioning unit which will last another 3/4 years.

If you think second hand 100s are overpriced then don't buy one - you're entitled to your opinion, but AE-100 owners are also entitled to keep their units if they're not getting what they think the AE-100 is worth.

BTW, some would consider this post appears to circumvent the new "spoiling thread" rules in the FS forum. As you are looking to buy an AE-100 & have placed a bid on one previously, & there is currently one FS.

I'm not making any acusations against you - far from it, I believe this was never your intention, but you can understand my reasoning. If this post was in the FS forum it would be deleted.

Perhaps the Mods would like to comment??

BTW, best of luck with your new PJ, whatever it will be ;)
 

Smurfin

Distinguished Member
Originally posted by Kramer


BTW, some would consider this post appears to circumvent the new "spoiling thread" rules in the FS forum.
Utter tosh, it's a valid discussion point.

Headrat, I can put you in touch with someone selling a PTAE-100 with no dead pixels for £850.

Drop me a PM and will send you details.

Rgds
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Smurfin

Distinguished Member
There's also another PTAE-100 in the classifieds, going at £920. You might be able to knock him down a bit;)
 
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Big_AL007

Guest
I agree with Smurfin, the purpose of forums is to educate and inform. So why not discuss what something is worth. If I asked the question I think it strange if I was not allowed an answer in case it drove down the price of a particular product.
This is after all a free market economy, everthing finds the correct market price regardless of tittle tattle on forums.


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HEADRAT

Novice Member
Originally posted by Kramer
Discontinued or not, the AE-100 has proven itself as an excellent home cinema PJ.
Very true, but I'm afraid the reality of it is people will always want the latest machine, that then
drives down the price of the older model..


It will be current until at least March '03, when the AE-200 will be released. The AE-300 may not be released in Europe.
OK speculation on your part but you are probably more knowledgable about such things.

The differences between the 100 & 200 are negligable - just because there's a new model available doesn't mean it's any better than the older one.
That as maybe, but the old model always drops in price when new models become available


Most peeps paid more than £1220 for their AE-100s, so are not prepared to lose >35% of their purchase price for a respected/perfectly functioning unit which will last another 3/4 years.
I think you've hit the nail on the head right here, problem is I don't really care what you paid for it, I can buy one new for £1200, thats £200 more than people are asking for them in the "For sale section". Nobody in their right mind is gonna buy one for that kinda money , not when you can buy an AE100 new in the UK for around £1200 and get an AE-300 from Pricejapan for £1300 !!


If you think second hand 100s are overpriced then don't buy one - you're entitled to your opinion, but AE-100 owners are also entitled to keep their units if they're not getting what they think the AE-100 is worth.
For sure, there's no way I can force somebody to part with their PJ if they don't want to but I guess what I'm saying is if you can't sell it for what you asked for its then maybe you were asking too much...


BTW, some would consider this post appears to circumvent the new "spoiling thread" rules in the FS forum. As you are looking to buy an AE-100 & have placed a bid on one previously, & there is currently one FS.
I make no secret that I'm looking for an AE-100, so far all the ones of offer have IMHO been overpriced.. in fact my original post began with "I'm in the market for a second hand PJ" ;)


I'm not making any acusations against you - far from it, I believe this was never your intention, but you can understand my reasoning. If this post was in the FS forum it would be deleted.
This is exactly why I didn't post it in the FS forum, I made you an offer for your PJ which you refused, as is your right. It would have been entirely wrong of me to make these points in the FS forum, hence the post here..

Perhaps the Mods would like to comment??
Indeed, was not my intent to break the rules, just to find out what others thought would be a fair price to pay. If £1000 is the going rate for an AE-100 then I'll probably get an Sanyo or buy an AE-300 from Pricejapan (if I'm feeling brave enough :) )

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buns

Banned
Im not disagreeing with anyone here...

Kramer is right that people wont want to lose all their money, but, the panasonic does well. At the end of last summer i payed nearly £2300 for my sanyo...... with 600 hours i cant even sell it for £900..... that is a loss of more than £2 per hour that it has been used. In camparison, you must agree that the panny is losing negligible amounts.

The price of anything should be what people are willing to pay. I agree that a little used ae100 should be worth 75% of its purchase, but there are now so many of them, that wont be the case for long.

Although the panny has brough cinema to the many, i resent it because it has devalued my projector in a major way. That may be progress, but it leaves a lot of very sore customers!

I will make a little point here, i will NEVER buyanother brand new digital machine, they lose cash faster than cars do. I recommend that the intelligent among us should also stick to second hand.

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lynx

Well-known Member
Originally posted by Kramer
Perhaps the Mods would like to comment??
I don't have a problem with it.Someone is expressing an opinion on the bouyant (in their opinion) price of the AE-100 .
 
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spamboy

Guest
At the risk of getting flamed, I'm going to join in in headrat's defence here. He's just making a point and a valid one at that. There seem to be people on the Classifieds forum (I've been watching as I'm considering buying a PJ too) who are trying to sell at very close to the price you could get a new one for.

Everyone reading this forum is going to be clued up as to how much these things now cost (if not look at uk.pricerunner.com) and are unlikely to take a risk for a couple of hundred quid, especially if relaibility is dubious.

I've participated in a lot of specialist online forums and I've found that the prices that things go for is often lower than any other sources, in fact I've often given fellow enthusiasts things for free (I even once delivered something by hand to Canada - I was passing through anyway.) The thing is that enthusiasts have a lower percieved value of something they've already used, obviously why would they be getting rid of it, if not to replace it with something better. You also have the comfort of knowing that you're selling to a like-minded individual, who will probably appreciate it.

It seems that if you want to get the best price for the item you're selling, sell it on ebay. I've been watching stuff that I know well (mainly computer components, but PJ's and some stereo stuff) go for prices above what I could buy them for new!
 

Phil Hinton

Editor
Staff member
As one of the Forums for sale Moderators i see no problem in this disscussion as that is what the forum is for.
However an item like a AE100 will attract a high price as it is highly though of and people will pay for them. If it is to much in your opinion then fair enough. There are things posted for sale where i just laugh at what is being asked, but there are some out there who will pay that sum, where there is demand then you will get what you ask.

Just dont go having threads like this in my part of the forum, cos i have enough moderating to do.;)
 

buns

Banned
Im going to get flamed for this for sure....... but the prices paid are all to do with hype. The panny has been hyped on here by so many people, hence everyone wants one. This will be the same for the gallo speakers if people want to change them. Hype is worth a fortune!

the coin side is that less known and non hyped items get nowhere..... i have seen plenty of items which were total bargains, go without a single offer.....

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Big_AL007

Guest
Good point Buns, but in a free market economy hype is part of what ditates the cost of somethings.
I would suggest if peeps are not happy with the prices here they can look elsewhere.

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buns

Banned
I would say that the prices on here are as keen as any prices you will find. We kno our stuff so are not going to pay attention to a rip off.

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Smurfin

Distinguished Member
Buns

I think some of the comments have been made with the thought of some of the classifieds ads, but not, I believe, yours in particular.

Regards
Matt
 

HEADRAT

Novice Member
Thanks for the input guys, glad to see the moderators posting wouldn't like to think I've stepped on any toes :)

Selling to people on the forum is much harder than selling on Ebay IMHO, people here are clued up bunnies and will have probably been lurking around forums like these for many years.

I've noticed people of the FS forum getting increasing frustrated with not be able to attain their target prices, blaming would be purchasers for the lack of sale !! These people need to look closer to home, they need to be realistic with their price expectations. Obviously if they do not want to sell their item that is their choice ;) (Kramer, this isn't targeted at you BTW m8, I'm thinking of a thread that is still currently running in FS and its not for a PJ)

I buy/sell quite alot of second hand computer stuff over on OcUK, damn those guys are tough, prices on that forums are extremely keen cos the guys know it all backwards ;)

buns, I agree with you, the AE-100 has lowered the bar in terms of peoples expectations on price and raised it on performance. It has also received a great deal of coverage making it *THE* second hand PJ of choice. I guess its all down to supply and demand, if demand is high enough then people will get £1000 for a SH AE-100 whether I like it or not.


HEADRAT
 

buns

Banned
There is i guess an impending dive in sh ae100 prices..... full intro of the 300 will see new 100's discounted even further, hence sh prices will drop even more.

But it is, as said, a case of what an individual sees as its worth, if they see more money, well who are we to complain!

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