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SDI DVD players for £370

Discussion in 'Projectors, Screens & Video Processors' started by Jeff, Aug 8, 2002.

  1. Jeff

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    I dont know much about SDI players and the pc related bits and pieces. Is this good for an SDI player? How much does an SDI card for pc cost? What other software is needed? Would this player through HCPC better a software dvd?

    On a side note, is there anyone who would SDI mod a laserdisc player?

    thanks

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  3. Jeff

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    This should make a fine SDI DVD player, being a Panasonic player it is also chroma bug free. Immersive in the US are about to release the H3D, a PC capture card that supports SDI, component, svideo and composite. It has onboard Faroudja video processing. You can use the software included with the card or DScaler. I think the SDI/DScaler combo is great, I would never go back to software players now. Laserdisc is analogue, so SDI isn't an option, but you should be able to get a nice clean picture with the H3D card anyway.
     
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    Is this the component card mentioned in the hcpc section? How would the capture of laserdisc with this card rate along side that of an iscan or its likes?

    thanks

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    I am climbing a steep learning curve! Until i saw this post i has never considered sdi!

    Please excuse silly little questions!

    Where can i get a good transformer? where can you get sdi cables? What are the effects of length on the signal? Would it be ok to run a 25 foot sdi cable?

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  6. Jeff

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    yes and no idea, but I would hope so.
     
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    Transformer for what? The link I posted was for a european player, so doesn't need a transformer. Gordon can provide SDI cables. Not sure on the maximum cable lenth for SDI but I believe 25ft would be OK. As long as you are within spec you should get any effects with longer cables.
     
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    Though the player appears to be European (it does PAL, which most US units don't) it mentions 120V AC 60Hz power so a transformer would be necessary!

    Hope this helps,
     
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    Yes, I missed that one. Well spotted Buns and Richard. Come to think of it I think this player is a US model.
     
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    Yes indeed, the main reason for the quick adoption and development of the format within the broadcast industry is it's ability to run long lengths.
     
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    That player does look very good value - the only thing is doesn't do is PAL progressive.
     
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    If im understanding correctly, the ability to do pal prog is irrelevant if using sdi?

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    The price is ex vat, so by the time you get it here with a transformer, it will be the guts of 800 euros.

    Is an sdi route still that much better? I havent ever seen a really good prog scan out dvd player like the tag or arcam...... where would an sdi player through the likes of the silk card compare with those 2 standard players?

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    Picture quality wise I expect SDI players to be better than the Tag or the high end Arcam. Gordon has looked at a Pioneer SDI player + Vigatec scaler Vs I Tag + Interpolator Gold. I think he thought the SDI Vigatec combo compared very well.
     
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    True.
    the signals are either 480i or 576i anyway.
     
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    Since it looks like the nice immersive card will exclude me, is the silk the only other sdi card? what price is it and where from?

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    What actually IS an sdi cable? Is it simply a bnc terminated digital cable or is there more to it than that?

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    Its simply 75ohm coax cable with BNC connectors, so yes, just like digital cable.

    RS sell BNC terminated 75ohm coax cable (RG59) of various lenghs, cheap too. If you need a really long one Gordon should be able to supply.
     
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    Thanks Jeff. Im quite keen on making my own cables, in most instance I have found it possible to make cables as good as or better than those commercially sold.

    Thanks

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    hi jeff
    is there any chance u can give me the full link for your denon 1600 sdi modded player and the sdi silk card, is there anything else i need to get up and running? ie a cable from the dvd player to the silk card iihink i will definitly purchase these, and can u send me your details so i can post u the money for the graphics card.also having never used dscaler if it easy to use.

    regards

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    Hi Richard,

    I think using a HTPC as an SDI scaler with an external SDI modded player is a great solution. For the SDI input card there are 2 solutions, the new H3D card and a newer version the the SDI Silk card. If I could choose again I would definately go for the H3D card, I'm not convinced that the faroudja chip is of much use for R1 DVDs since it doesn't handle 72Hz, but for analogue PAL sources I would expect great results with the H3D card and the Faroudja chip engaged. All the initial H3D buyers had to sign NDAs so don't expect any comments from current owners yet.

    For the SDI player I bought mine from http://www.spatz-tech.de/ it cost me 1540 euros includeing delivery. The SDI player I posted about in this thread looks like a much better deal and is by miles the cheapest SDI player I have seen. I would expect the quality to still be very good and being a Panasonic is chroma bug free.

    You can get the SDI cable from a veriaty of places, I bought mine from Gordon.

    Jeff
     
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    Thanks for that jeff, made it a bit clearer, now its time to start saving up.

    cheers

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    Hi Jeff,
    Out of interest, between a software player with digital out or the external Denon SDI player, which gave you the better sound through that amp of yours?

    regards,
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    The Denon DVD player sounds better. I can't say I miss anything about software players. The external SDI player looks, sounds and plays better.
     
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    Jeff,
    What SDI capture alternatives are there other than the holo3dgraph?

    Can DScaler auto-detect anamorphic v.s. 4:3 material with an SDI source?

    cheers,
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    Hi Rob,

    The only other SDI card that can be used is the SDI Silk which I have, its performance with analogue sources is a bit better than the cheapie cards but not quite Falcon standards. I expect the H3D card to be far superior in this regard. The newest version of the SDI silk card is now available at www.sdisilk.com.

    I think DScaler has an experimental auto aspect ratio function, but I can't say I have ever tried it. I only have 1 4:3 and a couple of non-anamorphic titles so not a big deal. The main issue with SDI Dscaler at the moment is no auto switching between PAL and NTSC.
     
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    Jeff

    I think Laurent's auto aspect feature doesn't work unless the WSS signal is encoded in the video signal which it often isn't on SDI players.

    The auto format problem has been fixed at last and should work in the next alpha which will be in a couple of weeks.

    John
     
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    Cool. :cool:
     

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