Screenshots - Sony 11HT

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  1. Pip_UK

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    Managed to take a few pics tonight.

    Projecting from 3.5m with 98" MDF screen at 1000 ANSI (cinema black setting off)

    Film is Planet o the Apes which has a lot of fairly dark scenes

    Pip

    follow the link ...

    http://www.tarantulas-uk.com/screenshots.html
     
  2. gwbailey

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    Thanks PIP,

    Pictures look great...alot better than the 10ht I seen last week anyway!

    The 10ht I saw looked VERY washed out unlike yours which looks very good!

    What settings are you using?

    Are you using Component cables straight from the Arcam?

    PS, great screen BTW...it just shows you what you can do if you put your mind to it?

    Regards,
     
  3. nigel_williams

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    Looks great. I need a digital camera to take some shots of my setup.

    Does you DV88 have progressive output? Is POTA R1 or R2?
     
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    Graham,

    Yes the Arcam is connected to the PJ with component (made to measure' leads from Keene Electronics.

    Have been busy so those shots were "quickies". Hope to set up my camera and take some high quality screenshots with the usual DVD's (The Matrix, Fifth Element etc)

    I have seen no evidence of the greenish tinge which plagued many 10HT owners. The hue setting on the projector changes the picture to red, even when adjusted slightly so have left it on default. I have only played around with the sharpness, colour, contrast and brightness settings.

    I was going to buy the Avia disk but am so pleased with my own tweaking I am not going to bother.

    Pip
     
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    Nigel,

    No progressive output. I had already chosen the Arcam AVR amp and decided on the DV88 after reading several threads on the forums

    The 11HT has such a good descaler it doesn't need a progressive dvd player and I tend to agree. All it needs it a good quality DVD player with component output.

    Pip
     
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    That's what I thought. I was thinking of the DV88 myself but I'm now looking at the DV27 (borrowed for the weekend) with PAL progressive. For NTSC disks, there's very little (if any) difference but PAL progressive makes a big difference.

    I really need a player with component and progressive PAL.

    Any idea if the DV88 can be hacked in the same way to give PAL progressive?

    I've put a short post of my findings in the DVD forum.
     
  7. Gordon @ Convergent AV

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    DV88 and FMJ27 share same firmware and same prog scan upgrade board so I can't imagine any probs with your scenario....

    PIP uk: Nice job. If you want a massive improvement for not much outlay then paint the walls and ceiling darker matt colours. If you can get away with it you'll be astounded at the difference. This is even more important with high light output lcd's....

    Gordon
     
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    Hi, just upgraded my Pioneer 717 to the Arcam DV88, projecting on to an 8 foot screen, the picture quality jumping from S/Video to Component is simply stunning!!, i was very happy before with the picture quality i was getting on the S/Video output going into the 11HT, but now the whole picture has came to life, the colour,s, depth of field, contrast, everything has improved.

    A few tip,s for anyone thinking of buying the Sony 11HT, i bought this projector without a demo, i bought it on the strength of peoples post,s on this forum and other forum,s, the only time i had seen a projector properly was a very well set up CRT set up by Gordon at Stereo Stereo, the picture quality was what i would call "mind blowing " Velvet black,s deep red, three dimensional, etc, i left the shop gobsmacked, but after a few week,s dreaming i decided there was no way i could convince my wife that i could mount such a thing on our dinning room ceiling.

    So plan B went ahead i sweet talked her for a few week,s (as wee do) into going for the sony 11HT even without a demo, she,s now addicted to my favourite hobby it,s taken me 8 year,s but have finally got there she,s even reading the HCC magazine,there,s even talk of buying darker wallpaper.
    So guy,s here,s few tip,s for anyone thinking of going for the Sony 11HT or any other projector.

    1- if this is your first time buying a projector, dont demo a CRT if your cinema is going to be in your main living area, you will be spoiled!!.
    2- Buy the sony with confidence, the picture running from a good quality component output is stunning, not quite CRT but right behind it, black,s are black just not as black as a CRT.
    3-Get a copy of Avia to get the best setting,s you can get.
    4-Cancel the holiday?.
    5-Dont even tell your wife your getting one just go ahead and order one, she will understand when she see,s it up and running!!.
    6-Make sure you alway,s have a spare bottle of wine in the fridge and plenty of hot dog,s for the kid,s.

    Honestly guy,s it,s that good.

    Cheer,s Mark.
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    :D
     
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    Thanks for the advice Gordon. I plan to do this in the next few months. If I am pleased with the picture, is it still worth the expense of getting the Avia disk?

    I watched The Fifth Element (Region 1) last night and utilised the PJ's progressive scan. I was in awe at the difference! I have never seen a picture like that before in my life ... not even on a tv!

    Pip
     
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    This makes excellent reading for anyone who, for whatever reason, cannot go the CRT route. The 11HT hooked up with quality cables to a decent dvd player (in my case a Tosh SD900E) using component output will have little cause for complaint in terms of picture quality. Like most things AV a good source will pay dividends particularly if the software happens to be top notch. See my comments regarding the R1 release of Training Day elsewhere on the forums. This must be one of those things where everything comes together to complement each other because the picture quality in progressive is simply stunning, I've not seen anything like it on my setup before.

    Easy picture improvement tip - keep the lens clean. Degradation of the picture will sneak up on you as dust accumulates on the lens. A good quality lens cleaner will leave it spotless and boy will it make a difference.
     
  11. Gordon @ Convergent AV

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    Avia disc allows you to set brightness and contrast and sharpness etc. You'll only use it once so put the money towards the paint and then a greyscale calibration. ISF of the unit, or SMART, if you want to go the DIY route shoudl make a noticeable difference. ISF ing I go through all the AVIA stuff to get it right then do the greyscale. Measured before and after.

    It's hard to tell from screen shots but those you post look like you're using the high temp setting as they look way too bluey green to me. This could be your camera or all sorts.


    Let us all know how you get on once the rooms re-decorated!

    Gordon
     
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    Gordon,

    I also use the high temp. settings simply because all the others look crap, the picture is either too red or too dark. The high settings are obviously not ideal but they are the best of a poor bunch. I need ISF, when are you next in Leeds?
     
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    That's the problem. Both are wrong....use what looks best to you just now.

    I think Leeds is soon. Just about to start arranging next lot of trips. It's my job for the weekend if I manage to finish setting up my new toy...9" CRT.

    Gordon
     
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    Gordon,

    As a matter of interest what are the dimensions of the 9" CRT and how much does it weigh?
     
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    Is this the mythical NEC10PG?
     
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    My head is spinng

    "Use component out"

    What is this, I assume its not the composite out ie the connector that looks like a phono. I use S/video is there a better way?

    What is progressive, again been hearing it mentioned a few times? I run a Pioneer 525

    Cheers
     
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    Nic: It is the mythical NEC10. Unfortunately prior to me getting it I had a discourse with another forum member who has baggied it if it meets his approval next week. I had it set up last weekend and it was stonking but had to move it for the week I was away in London doing installations. So I need to re-set it up next weekend for dem on Monday.

    I really want to keep it myself but if this chap doesn't take it we can talk about me taking back the 9 at full trade in. I'll do a new thread with a pic for those who want to see relative size. Weight is probably about 50-60Kg....I think.Basically it's Fing heavy.

    Gordon

    Petrolhead: Component is a higher form of signal than S-video. It's the same black and white info with better colour info. Progressive is best understood by going to www.progressivescan.co.uk or doing a search on the forum about it.
     
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    Mark/Pip,

    If you want to calibrate the Sony 11ht to optimum,you need to enter the service menu and adjust rgb settings.

    Enter...enter...up arrow...down arrow...enter...(from the remote).

    Calibrate using the low temp setting as a ref-but aim for the punch of custom 1.

    Do not adjust gain .

    Do this with Avia set on greyscale steps.

    You should as a starting point set red to 255-the maximum amount of red available-blue and green should be approx half of this(as a starting point..).

    I have found with mine also that the sharpness control on Avia sharpness test is that sharp it creates artifacts after 8.
    6 is the best setting.
    You may think this is low,but once you get used to it,it is very filmic.

    Another tip,when you focus using the test grid -the sharpest grid does NOT give the best picture.

    Put up a picture of someones face paused adjust till you can see the pores and the whites of the eyes look sharp.

    Switch back to the grid-the grid is not at the most focused position.

    Then whilst in the service menu,check out the grid again..by repeated pushing more grids come up-focus each one...

    Then check the paused face again.


    Using this and info from the big picture web site,you will geta great picture.

    If you then opt to go the SMART ROUTE-YOU WILL IMPROVE FURTHER.

    Last stage is 1366 x 768 h.t.p.c. feed into the Sony bypassing the internal scaler.

    Then you got a picture to rival anything...
    Doug:D
     
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    I take it the 11HT can accept a 1 to 1 pixel mapping of its panel resolution?, and what vertical refresh rates does the projector like best?. Doug why do you suggest not changing the GAIN values?.

    Any chance of some more pictures they all look great :).

    James
     
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    Best refresh-56hz for 1366 x 768.

    You can change the gain values but this is quite specialised-I have found though it is not necessary.
    Further info on the big picture web site.
    Doug
     
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    Doug, have you tried a CC filter on your projector yet?.

    Mark.
     
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    I had a thought which happens once in a blue moon ;). Has anyone tried videoing their projector in action?. I wonder if it captures how a projector really performs rather than a static picture?.

    Just an idea....considering DV cameras can be picked up so cheaply these days compared to megapixel cameras and that divx 5 is such a wonderful compression technology.

    James
     
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    Thanks for all the advice guys.

    I did try adjusting the rgb settings in the service menu and in five minutes got a very good improvement in picture just using subjective visibility.

    Gordon ... I think it was the camera ... I was using custom menu setting 3 (I found the high temp setting too blue like you pointed out).

    Been having a lot of problems with s-video diagonal mesh interference (see hardware forum) from my rgb to s-video convertor. I have turned the sharpness setting down which improves it quite a bit but I actually prefer a sharp digital type picture. Thinking of getting an rgb scart to phono (sync on green cable) to see if there is an improvement.

    I received my Star Trek R1 movie set from DVD Concepts today so will try and post some screen shots over the weekend.

    Any requests? <G> ... :)

    Pip
     
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    Mark,
    Youve read my mind!! I think next I will go for the complete Smart package which includes filter.

    Having said this,there seems to be some debate as to what is best for the 11ht-the c.c.40 or the c.c.30?

    But I can understand Pips view,the Sony is so good out of the box,you could leave as is and be happy with it!!

    ..but once you get into it,it just gets better!!!

    Doug :)
     
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    so you finally got the 9"CRT then Gordon:) ,have you got it set up yet ??if so .....................well:D ,i for one don`t like this new`ish crt,dlp/lcd forum split,everything seems too black or white now ;) ......no good `crt versus ???` discussions anymore
     
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    I agree with Paulsa, i Think it,s a lot better having everbody under the same roof, alway,s seem,s to be that bit more heated!!.

    Anyway both forum,s might still come together again when CRT dies in a year,s time.

    Mark.

    :D
     
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    LOL !!!!:D :p :eek: :devil: ;) :D
     
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    Do you always use Cinema Black off ??
    I had my older 10HT with c.b. off but when I bought the 11HT, i noticed that when using c.b. on, the pic was rather dark and the shadows were near black so i had to increase brightness to 64 (using AVIA) to overcome it (do you have the same problem or it is only me ??). Now i am using it with c.b. off whicj is still better than my older 10HT with c.b. on.

    Regards
     

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