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Screenplay 4805 V 5700

Discussion in 'Projectors, Screens & Video Processors' started by DucatiEVO, Sep 10, 2004.

  1. DucatiEVO

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    I'm looking to get either of the above now the 5700 has dropped in price, but seeing as the 4805 has JUST come out recently, and the 5700 has been out for over a year. Is the quality of the 5700 still superior to the newer 4805? (I know 5700 is higher res).

    Anybody tried both?

    thx
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  2. mojomanic

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    I demoed a 4805 at sevenoaks in lincoln and was very impressed. The salesman told me they had stopped selling the 5700 as they couldn't justify the price difference. Havn't seen one myself. Just waiting for the denon1910 dvd to come out and will buy it together with the 4805.
     
  3. digisocialist

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    I demo'd the following today:
    SP4805
    Yamaha RXV-640
    B&W DM600s3 and LCR60s3
    Rel Quake Subwoofer
    Mission M3s

    I watched both 'Finding Nemo' and 'LOTR' on the SP4805 and was suitably impressed. On LOTR, the blacks were great, good contrast, skin tones spot on, motion very smooth all round excellent. Finding Nemo was sharp and crisp and was more impressive probably because of the qualities you get with animation, making the picture really come out of the screen. Throughout however I was always concious that I might see the 'Rainbow effect'... now, I must confess that I didn't see anything that I might consider to be this effect throughout to the point where I asked the store owner if he knew anyone that had and he hadn't; in fact he said if I was going to see the 'Rainbow effect' I would have by now, that it would be prevelant and that he had never had it reported. Now, in the last minute of watching LOTR I scanned the screen left to right a few times and did notice a vertical spectrum of seperated colours, vividly, but for a split second. This bemused me, did I see the 'Rainbow effect', or was this some signal spike of some sort? This has really got me thinking as I am very keen on the 4805 as it meets my requirements. To those in the know, if I am subject to seeing the 'Rainbow effect' would it be more prevelant and consistant? Does this appear to be an unusual 'blip', or is this what people report if they are sensitive to it? Bare in mind I watched in the films for a good 30mins and saw nothing of the sort until the last minute of watching.

    In response to mojomanic I would suggest getting plenty of demo's in. The 5700 has just got great recommendations in this months issue of What Hi-FI S&V and at £2,200 is tempting. For me, £1300 is the limit, I think once you get to the 2K mark you open yourself up to the Plasma market and a new set of considerations.

    Moving on, I couldn't really review the Yamaha as to me these things are simply a 'black box'. In my view providing you get the connections you require and the sound and vision is good, it's difficult to distinguish as these aspects can be masked by the quality of the display device and speakers.

    The Missions were good for their price (£400) and would serve my needs (small and powerful), that said they were rather punchy, I felt there was too much attack in the trebble and not enough range.

    The B&W's just blew me away! Unbelievable and to be honest the most exciting part of the whole demo (considering my primary aim was to demo the projector, I came away with lasting memories of the B&W speakers). They were so warm, fluid, subtle, the range was so impressive and detail unbelievable...they have to be demo'd to be believed. I think as they were coupled with the Rel Quake Subwoofer I was actually treated to more than I bargained for.

    I have many more demo's to do. One things for sure, even though the B&W's are slightly bigger than I really want, it's going to be extremely difficult for me to find anything <£1000 that will come close. If I don't find anything I just know I'm gonna end up parting with the money to get them...once your bitten... as they say.
     
  4. theritz

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    Yip, I reckon you did, but that doesn't really mean anything. if you watched the thing for 30 minutes and saw colour breakup once when you moved your head sharply away from the screen doesn't mean that you'll be plagued by them forever. I had the good fortune to have a NEC HT1000 on loan from a good friend for about 10 days.............. I didn't see rainbows once (even on fast moving white credits on a black background) - then saw them once by a sharp head movement. I was a little uneasy that this would be the thin end of the wedge, but it didn't re-occur during normal viewing, although I was able to replicate it deliberately. There are people who are very prone to rainbows, and see them al the time.

    I'd go for another decent length demo, and don't go looking for rainbows - bring a movie you like with you and settle down to watch it like you would at home. If you only see colourbreakup when you try to see it as opposed to when you're actually watching amovie, then you shouldn't really have a problem.

    Sean G.
     
  5. digisocialist

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    That's reassuring. I am keen on the 4805, but this has unsettled me. You're right, there was an element to me being concious of it but only because I'd read the forums. I reckon without prior knowledge I would have not acknowledged the fact. In addition, I did mention I saw it when scanning the screen left to right, but this was as I was turning away from the screen and quite quickly.. which is why I say I saw it in the last minute. It was literally as I was getting up to leave, the mere fact I saw it made me sit for another minute to keep watching and I didn't notice it again.

    Will keep demoing.. thanks.
     
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    I own a 5700 and have demo'ed 4805 this week – looking to use the 4805 in the bedroom – much cheaper than a plasma.. The 5700 is better projector, it has that "wow" factor :D - there is a 3D depth, sharpness and brightness to the picture which I have not seen with any sub £3000 PJ’s – “sweat on faces glisten!” and it is now £2200!!!! :clap: However, if you can't stretch to a 5700, the 4805 is impressive, don’t necessarily feel short changed. Personally I like the 4805 picture better than the H56 – again better blacks and lacks the slightly “smearyness” of the H56. The 4805 is also future proofed with a Digital M1 (DVI/HDMI) connection.

    I cannot stress the importance of a good quality DVD player and component/DVI leads when the picture is 100".

    On rainbows – it is a personal thing. I only see them when there is white (titles, candles or lights) on completely black backgrounds – and then only when I move my head. My wife is completely immune. It is never bothered me – but you must demo.
     
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    Should one consider the fact that PAL resolotion is the "same" as the 5700 and NTSC is the "same" as the 4805?
     
  8. digisocialist

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    Not sure I understand this one. Both PAL and NTSC formats are, as I understand it, handled by the DVD player for the display device. The Infocus site specifications for both the 4805 & 5700 state both PAL and NTSC can be displayed by either projector. PAL is commonly European and therefore EU DVD's are likely to be manufactured for PAL DVD formats. I assume if however one had a Multi-Region DVD capable of converting either format, then the projector would Upscale/Downscale accordingley (NTSC having a higher resolution of pixels, meaning a PAL format displayed on a device capable of displaying the native NTSC format would upscale the picture for the display, though the 'true' picture quality would not be the same as if the source were NTSC on that type of device).... I think.
     
  9. Kobus

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    I'm not sure if this does have an impact, but PAL has 576 horisontal lines, the same as the In Focus 5700 and NTSC has 480 horisontal lines, the same as the 4800. I suppose the question is how much quality is lost by the scaling process. I would love to know.
     

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