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Discussion in 'Plasma TVs' started by willp[aice, Aug 19, 2003.

  1. willp[aice

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    PMA400E + BBCi (fame ac.) = burn in...


    OK so I've had the screen less than a month, and was watchin a DVD last night, and top left hand corner has "BBCI" stuck in it !!!!

    OK so the Hitachi is 'sposed to be good at protecting this... have now switched on all possible options... and I think I'ts clearing...


    Is this a record ?
     
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    screen wipe option clears up residual images v quickly on mine
     
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    Punishment for watching Fame Academy..!
     
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    Watched Fame Academy tonight... Not bad..! I had assumed it was another Pop Idol spin-off... Hope your screen is back to full health....
     
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    My PMA has burned twice, one with ps2 once with PC.

    It cleared itself overnight - underwear only cleared after washing machine tho :D
     
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    Personally, I don't consider images like this to be true screen burn; more a case of image lag.

    I have the Hitachi (and prreviously an LG) and both suffered from displaying feint ghost images of things like timer menus from my DVD recorder - so as long as it took to promgram a recording, say less than 2 or 3 minutes, the image of the menu would be displayed on screen for a few minutes after.

    I think it's to do with the image being so intense when displayed that it lags for a while when actually cleared from the screen.

    Nothing (touch wood) has lasted more than a few minutes on my Hitachi, except maybe movie bars - but as manc says mine also clears overnight.
     
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    happy to say that it does seem to fade overnight - but i did start looking for the heavy guage underwear !
     
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    Chaps, don't mean to hijack this thread but it is another question about screen burn.

    Do you guys with plasma's think it's not a problem, seeing as you've mentioned that there are things you can do to overcome this?
    I've been toying with a plasma for ages now and it's only the screen burn thing which is putting me off as we watch a lot of satellite and seemingly other programmes with static logo's in the corners.

    Had a look at the Sony LCD rear projection last weekend but there's not so much of a viewing angle as with plasma's, naturally, and it seemed like we would have to get the height just right in order to get a decent picture as well. So now I'm back thinking about a plasma screen :confused:
     
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    I have an LG plasma for 6 months running circa 6 hours per day and watch lots of satellite TV (with the logos). I have never had a problem with screen burn. I have taken all the recommended steps to avoid it (e.g. turn down contrast and brightness from factory setting) and I rarely have the worst offending channels (like BBC news 24) on for more than 30 minutes.
     
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    I've had my Panny 5 for 3 months now, and right out of the box i turned the contrast and brightness down, the side 4:3 bars up, turned the wobble on and the screensaver for a minute at 3am every day. I watch a lot of Sky and play a LOT of PS2, and i've never seen anything even resembling screen burn. I don't however watch Sky News etc, and i am very concious of backing up red dots and those silly BBCi logos.. TBH i don't think it's really a problem if you treat your £3k purchase wisely.
     
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    mine is 8 weeks old,delivered on 30th june.very impressed untill yesterday,found an image of the cbeebies logo burnt top left corner due to my 3 year olds apetite for bob the bloody builder.
    tried the screenwipe for 4 hours and its still there.
    phoned hitachi who advised me to try so called engineers trick.
    switch everything off,disconnect monitor leads,press and hold reset button (rear of panel) at the same time press on button.
    this displays red,green,blue,black and the white screen wipe in a constant pattern which i also left for 4 hours.the logo is still there
    will be phoning them again wednesday to get more advice.
    the cbeebies channel is now banned.

    bugman
     
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    bugman

    I guess the 42pd3000 doesn't have any 'easy to access' screen wipes!

    Have you reduced your contrast and brightness down from the factory defaults - this may look slightly 'dull' to begin with in high ambient lighting but you should see a big improvement in skin tones and the like when in controlled lighting.

    Reducing the contrast etc will help with the cbeebies logo - our Pioneer HDE gets a fair few hours some days left with either cbeebeis running or worse still the SKY+ 'end of recorded programme' message with no screen burn problems.

    If you have a PC I'd suggest you put an all white screen (no borders or menus) up on your display overnight.

    Best regards

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    This is what gets me about plasma and is why I will never buy one. Why should I HAVE to treat my £3k purchase wtih kid gloves. If I spent £3k on a screen I would expect it to cope more than admirably with everything I threw at it. I wouldn't expect to have to make sure I pressed the back up button on the SKY remote after every adverts. Nor would I expect to have to turn brightness settings down. One of the big selling points of plasma is the bright and contrasty images it can produce, but as you can't use them because of this screen burn issue, its rather pointless. At this price screen burn is unacceptable and its about time that the manufacturers realised this.

    I very much want a flat screen, but I for one will not be buying plasma.
     
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    No one is saying treat it with kid gloves, just use it sensibly. No one is saying turn down the brightness and contrast lower than you want it, just lower from the factory settings which are on the max and frankly it looks terrible like that anyway.

    Plasma and RP are more likely to get screen burn then CRT but that doesn't mean they will get burn in and the decent plasmas have utilities to avoid the problem in the first place.
     
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    bugman,

    Any news about your screen burn :confused:


    dvd
     
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    Gregorski

    Sounds like you'll be requiring one of Unicol's anti vandal front screens to protect whatever screen you purchase from flying objects!

    Mine has taken the odd hit from a mini football and it takes everything SKY can 'throw at it' with no problems and no special treatment - though Power Rangers Megazords going to the defence of the Red Ranger does worry me when they get within an inch or two of the front of the screen!

    Even if I still had the old 14" Telly I would still hit the SKY back button as the red dot drives me nuts - especially the non dot ones where the graphic designer has produced a 'themed' dot.

    Best regards

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    Having read these forums there seems to be something of a paranoia about it and I've read of many of you guys suffering sleepless nights over the issue. I just don't want that kind of stress, and don't feel if I spend that kind if money that I should have ANYTHING to worry about.

    I still think they look great, and I still want a flat screen. I just think that plasma is not for me. I've had LCD screens running windows for the last 5 years and am happy that this is a tried and tested technology so I'll probably be going that route.
     
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    I've seen this mentioned in the specs on a couple of plasma's and on the Sony one I was reading up on yesterday, does this feature actually work and if so why don't all the plasma's have it? If it does work then I'm looking at between £3-3.5k for a plasma as I've only seen it on those in that price range. :(
     
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    Do you think owners of ferraris and bentleys worry about leaving their car on the main road or parked outside the pub? In my opinion owning a plasma is the same sort of thing. It's a big expensense so you want to make sure you can safeguard it whilst still being able to enjoy it.
     
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    I'm sure they do. Thats something different though. What I am talking about is the suitability for the intended purpose.

    I am sure that owners of these car's would be extremely annoyed if the gearbox were to fall apart if they decided to have some fun on a windy backroad. This is after all what the cars are designed for.

    In the same vein, I wouldn't expect my top-of-the-range TV to burn an image into the screen if I used it for what it is designed for (i.e watching TV). If it does then in my view it is not suitable designed for the intended purpose. Personally I think that the manufacturers shouldn't be selling screens unless they are prepared to replace them when they burn. You'd be really angry if a CRT TV burned these days, so we should expect more, not less from Plasma.
     
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    Reading this post and most of the other posts in the past about Plasma screen burn, it does seem that the Pioneer & Hitachi Plasma are more prone to screen burn than the Panasonic's.
    Over the 18 months I've owned a Toshiba Plasma (Panny 4 Series), it has had many hours of continuous CBeebies viewing without the mearest hint of burn-in.
    I did reduce the contrast and brightness settings, but not by much.
     
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    Same here, never had any problems with my Panny. It is not something I conciously try to avoid and everything is okay with the screen.

    I do hit the backup button on Sky however, but never had any problems with logos. Even the kids know to hit the backup button.

    Only one problem, when I go around to other peoples houses I sometimes find myself looking for the remote to get rid of the red dot.
     
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    No problems at this end with a Pioneer Display or Pioneer TV units - I've owned about two dozen 50" Pioneer displays for AV hire and never had any long term burn in problems; and they get a hammering in exhibition land.

    We had one 43" Pioneer HDE that got well abused by a static full screen graphic running daily for about three weeks and even that was sorted out after a couple of weeks of video work.

    mikeq
    Wait until your three your old points out that your mates got a very small telly:)

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    the logo which burnt onto my screen has diminished since my last post but only marginally.
    On a light screen or pastel coloured screen i can make out the logo underneath but its not as pronounced as a couple of days ago.
    Engineer is coming friday,will post the result after he leaves my house.
    At the moment,i am finding myself watching the screen wipe more than the tv.
    I am not well chuffed at spending £3k on an ornament,hope they can sort it.

    regards

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    How long did you leave cebeebies on for? does the screen have an orbit/wobbler "screen saver" that moves the picture slightly while your watching? I know that they are most suceptable to burn when they are new because that is when the screen is brightest. When you have the screen replaced, make sure to turn the contrast down as far as you are willing to put up with at least for a couple of months. If they dont' replace it get the BBC to buy you a new one!
     
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    Engineer just left and said that he had seen much much worse than mine and that it would gradually fade out totally,but not overnight,he also added that it didnt appear to be burn.
    i have to keep running the screen wipe daily and steer clear of the offending tv channel untill the image fades totally.
    he said that i should give it at least a couple of weeks before calling them again,he also added that the manufacturers put up a struggle when you claim for screen burn......i will see how it goes and report back,but i am not really happy if i pay £3k+ for a tv and i cant watch one channel for longer than a couple of hours a day before it burns an image onto the screen.

    regards

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    Blimey, I can understand how you're feeling a bit miffed! £3k and you can't do this but you gotta do this and that to look after the screen?! :eek:
     
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    you would think with technology moving so fast they would have been able to sort screen burn out by now,i wander what are wrights are if we get the burn in and its permanent .i suppose we could say we didt realise a screen could burn in and take a trip to the cab and see if they could sort it out.i suppose if you buy from the likes of john lewis it would be easier to fight a clame .what do people on this forum think
     
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    Agreed,
    A while back i'd been out with pals on the town and returned full of drink and decided to watch M.O.T.D which i'd recorded earlier on sky+......Only able to focus on the screen with one eye open i nodded off whilst match was playing back.......A good 12 hours+ later i awoke to the dreaded sky+ warning " programme ended press back up to return" ......With a head ache like i'd been shot i staggered over to my screen and switched off sky to reveal shadows of the logo's!!..........I used the screen saver wiper and within 5--10 minutes the images had totally gone!!
    So weather pannys are more bullet proof when faced with burn only time will tell??

    So in brief if it can withstand a static image for well over 12 hours then unless some of you think sleeps for wimps and watch 8--10 hours per day then forget about it!

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    In line with Joe's comments, Our 50"MXE got left over a weekend with AOTC menu on the screen. Come Monday it was there regardless of what you were watching! By the close of biz it was fainter, and 2 wks later it had gone completely, just by not watching star wars, no wipes, screensavers or anything. The boss said those images don't make a profit. Maybe that's why I don't work for him any more.
     

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