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  1. cubit

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    Evening folks.

    New to the forum so apologies if this is yet another duplicate/similar post to others previous.

    Having just aqquired new toys - Sony 46HX923, Panny Cinema system and the free PS3 from Sony it got me into thinking it was time to look at my options with Virgin - again.

    After yet another set to with them on the phone decided it was time to bale out - I've got to keep phone/broadband because BT infrastructure is still wet string round these parts. So TV option is going.

    Have read and read and read (lol) the various posts on here i'm angling towards Satellite option. The TV has freeview set up and i'm quite impressed with it but recording will be required so at the very least i'd be buying a PVR of one flavour or the other.
    I'm thinking satellite gives me better alternatives. Could any of you kind folks give guidance or recommendations on what to spend my pennies on please.
    PVR
    Dish
    Motorised/non
    etc

    All help much appreciated.
     
  2. davemurgatroyd2

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    Basically you tell us first
    1 What sort of programming you want to watch (basically your present favourite and any must have channels)
    2 Languages of programming
    3 Free or subscription channels and if pay what sort of budget
    4 Do you want to DIY or professional installation
    5 Essential information in this forum your location (it would help to be in your profile so as it is visible against every post you make).
     
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  3. gailantonio

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    Hi

    My View is that there are some good solutions out there if you are willing to go it alone.

    The problem you may experience is with the user friendliness of Sat PVR'S. Unless you find one with 2 x LNB inputs you may find yourself only able to watch and record from the same transponder.

    But on the flipside the level of channels you can receive is brilliant.

    If you dont mind having 2 dishes I would go for a sky minidish and a 60cm dish with a Monoblock LNB ( No Need For Motor ) pointed at Astra & Hotbird. With the right receiver you could get

    SKY UK
    SKY Germany
    SKY Italy
    Nova Greece ( 3pm Football )
    Digital+ ( Spanish Provider )
    Lots of Adult
    Lots More

    All movies have english soundtracks etc

    Receiver wise i would recommend a Spiderbox 7000HD or the much cheaper Openbox S10

    if you want to pm me i can give you some more detailed advice.
     
  4. davemurgatroyd2

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    Would the PM be required to give advice on illegal and risky means of receiving subscription TV which otherwise cannot be discussed on this forum?
     
  5. cubit

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    For my sins, i live in Bradford - someone has to.

    1. New to the game so not sure what exactly is available. A good start would be general widely available options with ability to access more at a later date - paid channels etc.
    2. Language/programming??
    3. Not familiar with the pay options so any info guidance would be most welcome.
    4. Install wise happy enough to do it myself but willing to apy to get it done.

    Reading through the forum the choices are wide and varied. Being new to it all it appears somewhat confusing at times.
     
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    of course not, all those packages are available legally and i am sure you know that a consumer is able to buy the subscriptions.
     
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    I would recommend if you have the space to install yourself. I've just installed my first dish and quad lnb and aligned it myself. I actually made a mistake of aligning to the wrong satellite first but learning how to do it has made things easier and cheaper than having a professional come out and do it. Plus whenever I want to upgrade or re-align It should be easy!

    I think aswell you need to decide also...

    1) what you want to watch
    2) whether you want to record tv
    3) do you want satellite tv on 1 tv in 1 room or all round the house
    4) what is your budget

    I'm learning as I'm fairly new to satellite that the things you can do are pretty incredible but as mentioned before you need to be able to decide a few things first otherwise end up wasting money.

    I've got Interested in satellite for similar reasons as you. We had sky tv which ended up being expensive, bt vision was next which kept bringing up errors because our broadband wasn't quick enough. Freeview at our previous property was stuttering and distorted because of the poor signal in the area....hence this came about.

    As soon as I moved into our new place a few weeks ago I've been busy running in cables, connecting up aerials and satellite...and I'm loving it lol!!
     
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    I agree with Neil, its a great hobby. Lots of late nights up a ladder in the dark for me !

    Its rewarding when your flicking through the many thousands of channels though.
     
  9. logiciel

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    Welcome to AVF, cubit.
    There are hundreds of satellites up there with thousands of channels, but do you actually want any of them, other than the UK ones that are available free on Sky, Freesat, Real Digital, or generic receivers?
    Take a look at some of the others - there are too many to check them all - Europe, Africa & Middle East - LyngSat.
    On your point "Language/programming??" obviously channels that are not meant for the UK are generally in their own relevant languages, but some DO carry English tracks as well - again the question is do you need more English channels than those that are meant for the UK?
    On "pay options" it IS possible to buy packages for European channels, at prices that vary but are rarely less than you'd be paying to Sky for their UK channels, though the main purpose for which people seem to buy them is to see football at times when Sky don't carry it.
    All you need for the UK channels is a receiver or PVR and a small dish which will cost very little altogether, and for the rest you have the choice of a wide range of machines with two options - a large dish to access up to three or four specific satellites, or a motorised one for any number of them.
     
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  10. cubit

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    Hi Logiciel

    From your reply and having looked around on here yet again i reckon you've summed it up in the Sky, Freesat, Real Digital etc.
    I'll settle for them, afterall, with a house full of wimmin i'm competing against the soaps 8-(

    So, recommendations for boxes. Do i settle on the Humax or should i go for a linux jobbie?
    Motorised?

    Oh, and for the Sky free programmes, do i need a card?? (never been on Sky so don't currently have one.)

    Cheers.
     
  11. pedro2000uk

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    Just get the wimin some cheap Freesat boxes & a sky dish with a quad on it aimed at 28e & you have the motorised ...

    if you think there will be a problem with the dish size for motorised just start off saying you want a 2.4m & let yourself get knocked down to about a 1m:laugh:... & don't let them get hold of the remote - once they realise what it can do you'll never get it off them:D.
     
  12. cubit

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    Sorry, don't do ebay.
    Will the Humax Foxsat T2 jobbie suffice or am i better with a Linux offering?

    Decisions decisions.
     
  13. logiciel

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    For free UK channels they ARE the way to go.
    Here are all the Freesat machines: Products - freesat.
    Humax is the best known name but the others are made to a standard specification.
    Pedro didn't put in the link to EBay - that's done by AVF's system, and there are many suppliers for the machines.
    Real Digital have only just started and they'd be a risk.
    Linux or other "generic" machines don't really come into this at all.
    Nor does a dish with a motor, as that's for getting thousands of channels in many languages from scores of satellites.
    You can get all the totally free channels on a Sky machine without a card, and for a one-off payment of £25 you can get a card for a few more channels.
    If you want to record anything you need a PVR and Sky is ruled out for that.

    This isn't to put you off all the more elaborate stuff - if you did want that Pedro and others have all the details!
     
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    Many thanks. and for clearing up the ebay thing.

    I'm happy to have tinker - so to speak - regarding kit so venturing beyond the standard freesat hardware looks interesting. From reading the various posts/reviews, the Humax seems the safe option but i can't help feeling i'd be restricting myself for future options, or have i got that wrong too?

    How does one go about the aquiring the extra sky channels for the £25?
     
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    See this thread http://www.avforums.com/forums/freesat/1307423-free-satellite-freesatfromsky-freesat.html
     
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    It's the Foxsat HD or HDR for FREESAT not the T version/s which are for Freeview.

    The Foxsat has a hidden menu for non Freesat mode & can control a motor or multi lnbs & be used on all satellites- it is one of, if not the biggest selling Freesat HD receivers & also one of the most sensitive receivers & because of that it is quite a good option to use on a motor/ multi lnb & Freesat - it also does iPlayer & ITVplayer very well.

    In motorsed mode you do drop twin tuner record & timer settings & the software in non Freesat mode could do with a bit of Technomate like slickness.

    So you're not shutting the door with the Foxsat, we've installed quite a few for combined motorised & Freesat use- it is a very flexible Freesat receiver & build & PQ quality are good- there's also 3rd party software for it [see Freesat section].
     
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    A small point - but don't forget that you can add an external hard drive to that Sony TV, that will record any Freeview and Freeview HD programmes using the TV's EPG and timer. It won't record from an external input though. ( Great TV, btw..)
     
  18. logiciel

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    In what way interesting when you don't really need all or any of those thousands of multilingual channels on the other satellites?:)
    The Humax or any Freesat machine IS all that you need for the UK channels, and if you did decide to go multilingual then as Pedro explains it can be made to work on them as well.
    My choice for them would be one of the very many generic receivers such as Technomates.
    There are only a handful of extra channels on a FSFS card as the fixed thread that dm2 linked explains.
     
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    On a decent motorised satellite system you get loads & loads of FREE decent top movies in English on other satellites & loads of programs in English including documentaries, comedy, kids tv, soaps, sport, news/ business & adult .....

    Luckily for us, English is very popular, mainly due to the TV & movie output of the US that gets left in English.

    We are also lucky that English footy is so popular so you get a lot of sub options too.
     
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    I took those points in my post #3 but is there anywhere to check just what channels carry all that material in English, rather than having to pick out the channels from among the rest in the satellite listings?
     
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    This is the best list on the web for FREE MOVIES/ Channels in English etc. I know & there is the FTA Gems thread on Digital Spy ..but you have to go through a lot of posts & many are out of date... other than that, there isn't any & ploughing through Lyngsat / Kingofsat listings or searches doesn't help much .. most are still quoted as in Arabic/ Farsi/ etc.. even though they carry 24/7 US movies & programs (& UK & Ausy & others) in English..

    You do get subtitles in Arabic etc.. while the sound track is in English & some even do it the other way round for local features.

    Fox & Fox Movies carry English/ Arabic sound tracks that you can switch as has MBC MAX in the past... MBC Persia carries a mix of English & Farsi & MBC 3 & 4 carry a mix of Arabic & English but all those carry English EPG .... the other main free movie channels (about another 10 channels excluding any on 28e) seem to be all English like Panorama Action/ Top Movies/ Kanal 4 etc.. & there are about 40-50 that regularly feature Movies/ programs in English in the evenings... Dubai One is a bit like the BBC at times. Most FTA MTV show programs in English & most music channels are US/UK music.. Adverts can be in anything - [quite a few in English... doesn't really matter].. Footy often has an English sound track. Porn doesn't matter who speaks what...
     
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    Thanks - that makes it a lot clearer, and "ploughing through Lyngsat / Kingofsat listings....doesn't help much" was my basic reason for asking! :clap:
     
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    I zapped through the best channels last night just as a random check on what is a normal Tuesday evening that isn't a special holiday etc.. & there were somewhere between 30-40+ movies showing in English & all decent & recent .... that's excluding 28e or other programs types - sport, comedy, documentaries etc...
     
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    Yes, thanks for the reminder.
     

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