Samsung Service Menu Research

mikl1984

Active Member
Before we will talk about non easy things let's begin with naming convention of Samsung LCD TV
For example Model is LE40M87BD:
- L - LCD
- E - Europe model. May use A- Asia&Africa N - Korea, South America (North America too but use another structure after that)
- 40 - diagonal size
- M8 - serie of TV
- 7 - digit from 1 to 9 for some minor modifications in appearance
- B- Black - Case Color. May be W - White
- D- DVB-T tuner. May be C - Cable DVB-C, H - Hotel TV. May omit.
There are:
- Model: LE40M87BD [R] S
- Model Code: LE40M87BDX/XEU
To differ Model & Model Code add X to last
XEU - Regional code. Mainly affect to analog & digital tuner standards
Possible values for Europe
FID - Finland
XEC - Spain
XEE - Sweden
XEG - Germany
XEF - France
XEH - Holland???
XET - Italy
XEU - UK
Full list of actual models is in attach Excel file.
View attachment samsung.xls
Info dated July 2007.
Include info about installed panels, latest main & DTV firmwares
After understanding that we will talk about series only

During last 4 month I learned different Samsung firmwares for Europe
The results are in Russian forum
http://forum.ixbt.com/topic.cgi?id=62:10800
Now I am ready to share my knowledge in poor English :)

You need at minimum to enter in Service Menu
Some info from Service Manual:
To enter "Service Mode" Press the remote - control keys in this sequence :
From Standby Info-Menu-Mute-Power On
- The buttons are active in the service mode.
Remote - Control Key : Power, Arrow Up, Arrow Down, Arrow Left, Arrow Right, Menu, Enter, Number Key(0~9)

If you need just to show settings please
- DON'T USE: Arrow Left, Arrow Right, Number Key(0~9)
- Use Arrow Down, Arrow Left for moving withing current level of menu
- Use Enter to go in submenu
- Use Menu to return back higher level menu
- DON'T Enter to submenu Calibrate, Reset at all !!!
- Use Power to exit from "Service Mode"


Even on first page of Service Menu you are able to understand:
- platform
- Chipset (videoprocessor and audio chips)
- FW versions

Standard Trident Service Menu
nmsl1006.jpg
Standard MediaTek Service Menu
snm1008.jpg
Standard Genesis Service Menu
trn1024.jpg
Standard Macro Image Technology Service Menu
npl1025.jpg

First of all about possible platforms/projects
There are not so many:
Series Letters_in_FW CodeName Announce Date
A3 NPL Naples Summer 2004
T5 TRN Torino Spring 2005
R4/5 ROME Rome Spring 2005
M5/6 MIL Milano Summer 2005
S7/R7 SNM Sonoma Spring 2006
S7/R7 BRD Bordeaux Spring 2006
N/M/F7 M9 MSL Mosel Summer 2006
R8 BDP Bordeaux+ Spring 2007
As you may see all codename above - cities
But from M8 tradition is changed to flowers
M/N8 TLP Tulip Spring 2007
S8/R8 JSM Jasmine Spring 2007
F8 PON Peony Summer 2007
F9 ??? Rose Summer 2007

Above platforms with FW discribe all major specs of your TV:
- Chipset
- List of supportng panels
- All possible (and even blocked by vendor) features

Actually list of project more big
You may check it via Manual database
http://ibbank.net/manual/guest_main.asp?cok=
But a lot of projects had the same platform
For example Mosel platform had:
- FHD Mosel for F7
- New Mosel for N7
- LED Mosel for M9
- Mosel for M7
Again exist different names just for different tuners.

Information about possible panels and different settings will follow
 

mikl1984

Active Member
Thus during last couple years Samsung used mainly different generations of Trident chipsets:
SVP-EX for R4/R5 and M5/M6 series (Rome and Milano platforms)
SVP-PX for S7, R7, N7, M7, M9 series (Bordeaux and Mosel platforms)
SVP-UX/WX for R8, N8, M8, F8, F9 series (Bordeaux+, Tulip, Peony and Rose platforms)

Just low end series used MediaTek. In the past Samsung used also Genesis & Macro Image Technology
MediaTek MT8202 for S7, R7, S8, R8 (Sonoma & Jasmine platforms)
Genesis FLI5921 for T5 series (Torino platform)
Macro Image Technology MDIN-150 for A3 (Naples platform)

As you may see when you buy S7/R7/S8/R8 series you may receive ABS different TV

Detective story continue ...
 

mikl1984

Active Member
Ok
Let's go from common information to more detail
But it's nessasary to talk about specific firmware.
Just in concrete version you may find info about supporting panels.
In many cases I have information about versions of firmware, but doesn't have possible values list.
In this case I need assistance of owners
Without your help this project will be dead.

Info Format will be following:
Name of TV/Platform
1a. Link to photo (а lot of typo I saw)
1b. Firmwares versions
2. List of supporting panels and where you may find it
Some info may omit

Ok let's begin from this year lines - Bordeaux+ and Tulip platforms
R8X/Bordeaux+
bdp1002.jpg
T-BDPMPEUD-1002
T-BDPMPEUS-1002
BORD2_CALLA_TR-1002
Feb 28 2007
08:20:16

bdp1005.jpg
T-BDPMPEUD-1005
T-BDPMPEUS-1004
BORD2_CALLA_TR-1005
Mar 23 2007
17:00:50

bdp1006.jpg
T-BDPMPEUD-1006
T-BDPMPEUS-1004
BORD2_CALLA_TR-1006
Apr 05 2007
16:31:18

bdp1009.jpg
T-BDPMPEUD-1009
T-BDPMPEUS-1004
BORD2_CALLA_TR-1009
May 04 2007
19:49:05

T-BDPPEUMD-2001
T-BDPMPEUS-1004
BORD2_CALLA_TR-2001
Jun 01 2007

http://www.avforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5405984&postcount=32
T-BDPPEUMD-2002
T-BDPMPEUS-1004
BORD2_CALLA_TR-2002
Jun 21 2007
15:49:28

http://forum.ixbt.com/post.cgi?id=attach:62:10800:4558:2
T-BDPPEUMD-2005.1
T-BDPMPEUS-1004
BORD2_CALLA_TR-2005
Sep 27 2007
12:11:36

M8X/Tulip 32M8X/Tulip32 N8X/Tulip Side
tlp1008.jpg
T-TLPMPEUD-1008
T-BDPMPEUS-1004
BORD2_CALLA_TR-1004
Mar 20 2007
11:36:41

T-TLPMPEUD-1009
T-BDPMPEUS-1004
BORD2_CALLA_TR-1004
Mar 29 2007
15:07:43

tlp1010.jpg
T-TLPMPEUD-1010
T-BDPMPEUS-1004
BORD2_CALLA_TR-1004
Apr 06 2007
11:20:38

my.php

T-TLPPEUMD-1012
T-BDPMPEUS-1004
BORD2_CALLA_TR-1011
Apr 25 2007
15:44:18
This is for 40N87BD SQ1
Very interesting Option table
my.php

Now we know that N8 is Tulip Side

tlp1013.jpg
T-TLPMPEUD-1013
T-BDPMPEUS-1004
BORD2_CALLA_TR-1011
May 04 2007
19:57:31

tlp2000.jpg
T-TLPPEUMD-2000
T-BDPMPEUS-1004
BORD2_CALLA_TR-1011
May 22 2007
13:04:57

T-TLPPEUMD-2002
T-BDPMPEUS-1004
BORD2_CALLA_TR-1011
Jun 25 2007
17:25:43

T-TLPPEUMD-2004
T-BDPMPEUS-1004
BORD2_CALLA_TR-1011
Jul 16 2007
17:31:47

http://www.avforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5520967&postcount=8862
T-TLPPEUMD-2005
T-BDPMPEUS-1004
BORD2_CALLA_TR-1011
Aug 09 2007
09:29:25

my.php

T-TLPPEUMD-2007.0
T-BDPMEUS-1004
BORD2_CALLA_TR-1011
Aug 30 2007
21:29:43

m86ak9.jpg

T-TLPPEUMD-2008.0
T-BDPMPEUS-1004
BORD2_CALLA_TR-1011
Sep 18 2007
16:10:28

T-TLPPEUMD-2010.0
T-BDPMPEUS-1004
BORD2_CALLA_TR-1011
Oct 10 2007
17:36:12


T-TLPPEUMD-2011.0
T-BDPMPEUS-1004
BORD2_CALLA_TR-1011
Oct 12 2007
15:47:25

T-TLPPEUMD-2012.0
T-BDPMPMEUS-1004
BORD2_CALLA_TR-1011
Oct 30 2007
13:46:23

T-TLPPEUMD-2013.0
T-BDPMEUS-1004
BORD2_CALLA_TR-1011
Jan 23 2008
17:06:44


Special edition - just for 32M8/Tulip32
tlp321007.jpg
T-TLP32PEUMD-1007
T-BDPMPEUS-1004
BORD2_CALLA_TR-1005
May 17 2007
19:09:57

tlp322002.jpg
T-TLP32PEUMD-2002
T-BDPMPEUS-1004
BORD2_CALLA_TR-1005
Jun 08 2007
09:12:25
tlp322002_2a.jpg

http://forum.ixbt.com/post.cgi?id=attach:62:10800:3612:1
T-TLP32PEUMD-2010
T-BDPMPEUS-1004
BORD2_CALLA_TR-1005
Jul 30 2007
11:34:52


As R/M/N8 platforms based on the same Trident chipset, lists of panels are identical and include possible panels for all series
They store in two fields of Service Menu/2.Option Table
tlp1010_2.jpg
Panel Vender :AMLCD_INT CPT_INT AMLCD_EXT AUO_EXT_P AUO_EXT_N AUO_INT CMO_EXT CMO_INT
Panel Type:
For R8
R8
23" AMLCD 23" AUO TN
26" AUO 26" CMO TN 26" AMLCD
32" AMLCD V 32" AUO 32" CPT 32" AMLCD 32" CMO
37" CPT 37" AUO
40" AMLCD V 40" AUO 40" AMLCD
46" AMLCD 46" AU SIDE

For M8
32" AU 100 32" NOR 100
37" AU FHD
40" AM FHD 40" SC FHD 40" AU WCG 40" SC NORVE 40" SC NOR 40" AU NOR
46" SC FHD 46" AU FHD 46" AM FHD 46" SC NORVE 46" SC NOR
52" SC NOR 52" CM NOR 52" SC FHD

Several conclusions:
1. Samsung may use panels from different vendors:
For R8
AU Optronics (AUO)
bdp1006_2a.jpg
http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mg1006tn1.jpg
Chi Mei Optoelectronics (CMO)
bdp1005_2c.jpg
Chunghwa Picture Tubes (CPT)
Samsung
bdp1005_2s.jpg
For M8
AU Optronics (AUO)
tlp1008_2a.jpg
Samsung
tlp1010_2.jpg
2. In 23" and 26" appears TN panels
3. Firmware is ready for all LCD & PDP Samsung TV this 2007 year but used for Trident only
Model Option:BDP/TLP; BDP CHA; Jasmine; TLP CHA; TLP SIDE; Calla CHA; Calla; Lily; Reserved
BDP, TLP, Jasmine for LCD
Calla, Lily for PDP

Full list of Service menu settings for R/M/N8 see there
http://forum.ixbt.com/topic.cgi?id=62:10800-163#4982

I need your photos:
- main page of Service Menu
- 2. Option Table Page
 

mikl1984

Active Member
Some explanations about FW info in different lines
1. First line is most important part of FW
All settings of Service Menu stored in this part
Usually FW naming on this part
2. Second line - I amn't have idea what is it.
But it changes very rare.
3. Mainboard firmware. BTW Samsung use the same mainboard for LCD and PDP TV (See Service Menu of 42Q97HD).
cal1008.jpg
4-5. date & time of FW

This is for latest Trident platforms (M/N/R8 TV). Other series may have slightly different appearance.

Now let's talk about Mediatek 2007 platform - Jasmine
There are two version of this platform:
1)
- Pure Mediatek in S8 series
jsm1009.jpg
T-JSMMPEU-1009 Mar 23 2007 16:37:48

jsm1010.jpg
T-JSMMPEU-1010 Apr 04 2007 11:30:34
Panel Vender:CMO_EXT CMO_INT CPT_INT AMLCD_INT AMLCD_EXT AUO_EXT_P AUO_EXT_N AUO_INT
Panel Type: 26AUO 23AUOTN 32AMLCD 40AMLCD 32CPT 32AUO 23AMLCD 37AUO 32CMO 40AUO 37CPT 46AMLCD 26CMOTN

http://forum.ixbt.com/post.cgi?id=attach:62:10800:2608:1
T-JSMMPEU-1015 May 21 2007 12:32:15

http://forum.ixbt.com/post.cgi?id=attach:62:10800:3215:2
T-JSMMPEU-1017 Jun 04 2007 11:11:56

T-JSMMPEU-1019 Aug 14 2007 18:42:41

Last one in 32S81BX/BWT
http://forum.ixbt.com/post.cgi?id=attach:62:10800:3188:3
T-JSMMPEU-1020 Aug 28 2007 15:00:18
Panel Type: 32AUO, 37AUO; 23,32,40,46 AMLCD; 32,40,46 AMLCDV; 32AUOVC; 32CPTEM; 37CPTVE; 32 CMO; 40,26 AUO; 32,37 CPT; 26 CMOTN; 23 AUOTN
More & more types :(
2)
- Mediatek + Micronas FRC in R8 series
LE26R81B
View attachment 60138
T-JSMMPEU-1009 Mar 23 2007 16:37:48 T-BDPMNSAS-1001
Panel Vender: AUO_EXT_P AUO_EXT_N AUO_INT CMO_EXT CMO_INT CPT_INT AMLCD_INT AMLCD_EXT
Panel Type: 26AUO 23AUOTN 32AMLCD 40AMLCD 32CPT 32AUO 37AUO 32CMO 40AUO 37CPT 46AMLCD 26CMOTN
jsm1009bdp_2a.jpg

You may see that S8 are the same as previous generation S7 but with worse panels including TN
jsm1010_2c.jpg
But more important - Samsung again (as he made in 2006 http://www.avforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5302188&postcount=10 ) use for one R8 line absolutely non comparable platform: low cost Mediatek developed in 2005 and newest Trident SVP-UX from 2007.

Only one possibility to know which TV you have - to check Service menu
 
Interesting stuff, I had a hunch that Samsung were using the Tridnet chips. Genesis being on the cheaper ones is interesting as well, seeing as the Genesis deinterlacing is much better than the Trident-based stuff (or have I just been unlucky?)
 

mikl1984

Active Member
Genesis being on the cheaper ones is interesting as well, seeing as the Genesis deinterlacing is much better than the Trident-based stuff (or have I just been unlucky?)
You are unlucky:)
Samsung used very basic Genesis FLI5921, not comparable with Trident.
Even current high end chipset from Genesis doesn't have ME/MC which Trident SVP-UX had.
 
This is interesting, because the last Trident-based Sonys I've used (KDL-32V2000, and KDL-40W2000, the latter of which uses the Trident SVP-LXS) haven't been wonderful in terms of Deinterlacing. They seem to be using no Interpolation at all on the jaggies and the only Film Mode they properly engaged was for NTSC 3-2, they didn't do PAL 2-2 or 1080i 3-2 properly.

Do you know if the current-gen Trident chipsets support those cadences? Have Sony just not implemented it properly? (The SVP-LX also supports Picture In Picture, which Sony chose not to add to the W2000 series... makes you wonder what untapped potential is in there).
 

mikl1984

Active Member
Do you know if the current-gen Trident chipsets support those cadences? Have Sony just not implemented it properly?
I don't have detail specs for 7-th Gen SVP-UX, just some info for low end chip SVP-WX from the same generation
http://www.tridentmicro.com/ReadNew...me=Trident&SmallClassName=release&SpecialID=0
and a lot of remarks during investor conference (Q/A section is very interesting)
http://www.tridentmicro.com/site/investors/Q2-FY2007 TRID transcript-final.pdf
Previous generation as SVP-LX are support all those cadences.
New gen include features previous one usually

Sony W3000&V3000 will use 7thGen Trident for sure.
About implementation :( - let's see Service Manual, Service Menu settings and user reports
 

mikl1984

Active Member
Let' talk a little bit about 2006Y series
Most unpredictable series are S7 and R7
They may use two platform: Bordeaux on Trident and Sonoma on Mediatek
You may know it only after checking Service menu
All knowing for me R7 with Sonoma platform are Made in Hungary

Let's begin with Bordeaux firmwares

T-BRDMPEU-1012
T-BRDMPEUS-1002
Apr 19 2006
18:01:48

http://www.avforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5411215&postcount=39
T-BRDMPEU-1016
T-BRDMPEUS-1002
Jun 01 2006
17:32:27

LE40R71B [R] S
T-BRDMPEU-2004
T-BRDMPEUS-1002
Aug 23 2006
16:11:14
Panel Option:AMLCD AMLCD_INT AUO_AMVA AUO_MVA CPT SCMO_INT AUO CMO

brd2007.jpg
T-BRDMPEU-2007
T-BRDMPEUS-1002
Nov 02 2006
09:13:35
brd2007-2c.jpg

LE32S71B C [R] with CMO Panel Made in Russia
http://forum.ixbt.com/post.cgi?id=attach:62:10800:90:1
brd2008.jpg
T-BRDMPEU-2008
T-BRDMPEUS-1004
Dec 06 2006
18:48:39

LE40S71B [R] A with AUO AM06 (AUO_INT) panel Made in Slovakia
T-BRDMPEU-2008
T-BRDMPEUS-1002
Dec 18 2006
18:48:31
Panel Option:AMLCD AMLCD_INT AUO_AMVA AUO_MVA CPT SCMO_INT AUO CMO AUO_INT

Now some firmwares of Sonoma platform
LE-32S71B [R] P with CPT panel PP05
http://forum.ixbt.com/post.cgi?id=attach:62:10800:85:2
http://forum.ixbt.com/post.cgi?id=attach:62:10800:88:1
snm1008.jpg
T-SNMMPEU-1008 Aug 30 2006 09:09:07
snm1008_2cpt.jpg
Panel Vender: CPT SHARP AMLCD AUO CMO

LE-37R72B [R] W with CPT panel
http://forum.ixbt.com/post.cgi?id=attach:62:10800:263:1
snmm1001.jpg
T-SNMMPEUM-1001 Feb 01 2007 18:32:39
snmm1001_2cpt.jpg
Panel Vender: CPT SHARP CPT_OLD AMLCD AUO CMO

It's time to observe high end models 2006 - Mosel platform
As I wrote already in first post there are many projects under this platform:
- FHD Mosel for F7 (FMSL)
- New Mosel for N7 (NMSL)
- LED Mosel for M9 (MSL)
- Mosel for M7 (MSL)

msl2101.jpg
T-MSLMPEU-2101
T-MSLMPEUS-1000
T-MSLMPEUW-1009
Oct 12 2006
16:42:33
msl2101-2s.jpg

msl2102.jpg
T-MSLMPEU-2102
T-MSLMPEUS-1000
T-MSLMPEUW-1011
Nov 10 2006
09:34:04
Panel Option: AUO, CMO, AMLCD, AMLCD_INT, AUO_AMVA, LED120, CCFL_120, PANEL6
msl2102_2a.jpg

T-NMSLMPEU-1006
T-MSLMPEUS-1000
T-MSLMPEUW-1008
Aug 29 2006
20:16:27

T-NMSLMPEU-2003
T-MSLMPEUS-1000
T-MSLMPEUW-1014
Nov 10 2006
10:15:21
Panel Option: AMWCG_INT PANEL 5 PANEL 6 AUO CMO AMLCD AMLCD_INT AUO_WCG

T-FMSLMPEU-1010
T-MSLMPEUS-1000
T-MSLMPEUW-1014
Jan 26 2007
18:29:27

T-FMSLMPEU-1010SVC
T-MSLMPEUS-1000
T-MSLMPEUW-1014
Jan 31 2007
08:28:45

Waiting your photos and lists
 

mikl1984

Active Member
ezechiel1917 said:
mikl1984 said:
ezechiel1917 said:
hi, thanks for answer but i already know my firmware version and its already in your database as well.

i just need help with value of Demod Prescaler, it shows up when you go to 6. SGTV5810/NTP3000 in service menu , unfortunately i wasnt able to find any photo or information about this item anywhere on net. any chance you could help me? thanks
I need photo of your 6. SGTV5810/NTP3000 screen
I amn't owner of M8 TV, but I ask russian owners which don't afraid to enter Service Menu:)

I am interested in 2.Option Table photos too

Would be great...

Actualy i have LE40N87BD which have repro on sides and do not have super clear panel like M87, otherwise it should be same... I think the Demod Prescaler value should be same on both N87/M87, they share manual etc.

Would be great if you could find today the value I'm looking for. Many thanks.

Firmware:


Menu of 6. SGTV5810/NTP3000

Demod Prescaler value third on left there...

Option Table

OK

I requested already
http://forum.ixbt.com/topic.cgi?id=62:10800-47#1441

BTW what you have on second sticker as Version
http://forum.ixbt.com/post.cgi?id=attach:62:9360:57:1
 
Interesting stuff again, thanks Mikl.

"Light Effect" On or Off... "PDP Filter"... any idea what those do? Also, I wonder what the TV needs to know what size the panel is.
 
S

stianfp

Guest
Interesting stuff again, thanks Mikl.

"Light Effect" On or Off... "PDP Filter"... any idea what those do? Also, I wonder what the TV needs to know what size the panel is.


light effect should be that little blue light some samsung tvs have under the tv at the middle, did that make sence? right under the samsung sign..
 

mikl1984

Active Member
PDP Filter - make sense just for PDP TV
I mentioned before that Samsung use the same mainboard for Trident based PDP & LCD
Lighting - you may swith off decorating light
 

ezechiel1917

Active Member
Light effect is azure blue glow under the Samsung Logo on N87 serie, which you can turn on/off. When you power on/off tv it slowly fades in/out to appear/disappear. It's actualy very nic effect and it's glow is very little bright so it wouldn't annoy watchers when looking on tv.

n96_f_blue_l.jpg
 

JoeySchmidt

Standard Member
My R87 Service Menu says June 1 2007 but in my D.Menu the firmware is listed as April 28 2007 T-BDXPDEU00-1007.

Is it possible that the service menu date is purely a manufacturing date and not related to the firmware at all?
 

mikl1984

Active Member
Those are different firmwares - one for TV, another for DVB-T tuner
Manufacturing date is in 8-9 signes of SN (for example P6 for June)

Please post photos of Service Menu/Option Table
 

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