Nick Odgers
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pro signal pedestal about £50.
I wish LCD/LED TV manufacturers perfected the technology before moving on to the next thing. Right now the word NITS seems to be the buzz word, but nobody outside of a studio or geekfest had ever heard of until a couple of years ago, now it's in every post!
I really can't see why the LED backlight issue can't be sorted, imagine if they did to an extent that it can half-hope to compete with OLED. THEN start introducing the crazy brightness levels without the backighting showing itself and quite frankly ruining a TV. Let's face it most films have cinema bars and if they aren't black it spoils it; on LCD grey bars can be ignored, but vertical strobe lights can't be, especially not on a flagship-ish TV.
I turned down a 55KS9000 at John Lewis over the weekend for £1199+free £450 soundbar (miss-priced due to leaving an old free soundbar offer sticker with a further reduced price!) because I know it will disappoint watching at night with the light bleed.
If Samsung weren't chasing NITS, they would perhaps have left the LEDs on the side and that at least would mean cinema-black option to control the bars. As it is, it looks garbarge unless it's full 16:9 content.
But then I don't see why ALL mid-range and upper tier TVs don't have FALD now. LED technology is mature and it is very cheap. Circuitry to control an array of lights is hardly rocket science surely, and even if it didn't have the 4million and OLED has, if it had a 500 hundred zones with dynamic control that would make it capable of showing decent black level and cinema bars etc.
Agreed - but I think Nits was last year, this year the latest "must have" is Colour Volume. To be fair to Samsung they know their market is probably not interested in perfect blacks or natural pictures. Bright and over-saturated will no doubt capture get the younger gaming generations attention ...
However I think they may have problems shifting units this year as both the QE and MU series are vastly overpriced for what they offer. If you are going cheap then the KS series from last year looks a no-brainer over the the MU models but once they are gone it will be a hard sell.
How high off the unit does it sit? Looks like a fair gap there, could it sit lower if desired?
I wish LCD/LED TV manufacturers perfected the technology before moving on to the next thing. Right now the word NITS seems to be the buzz word, but nobody outside of a studio or geekfest had ever heard of until a couple of years ago, now it's in every post!
I really can't see why the LED backlight issue can't be sorted, imagine if they did to an extent that it can half-hope to compete with OLED. THEN start introducing the crazy brightness levels without the backighting showing itself and quite frankly ruining a TV. Let's face it most films have cinema bars and if they aren't black it spoils it; on LCD grey bars can be ignored, but vertical strobe lights can't be, especially not on a flagship-ish TV.
I turned down a 55KS9000 at John Lewis over the weekend for £1199+free £450 soundbar (miss-priced due to leaving an old free soundbar offer sticker with a further reduced price!) because I know it will disappoint watching at night with the light bleed.
If Samsung weren't chasing NITS, they would perhaps have left the LEDs on the side and that at least would mean cinema-black option to control the bars. As it is, it looks garbarge unless it's full 16:9 content.
But then I don't see why ALL mid-range and upper tier TVs don't have FALD now. LED technology is mature and it is very cheap. Circuitry to control an array of lights is hardly rocket science surely, and even if it didn't have the 4million and OLED has, if it had a 500 hundred zones with dynamic control that would make it capable of showing decent black level and cinema bars etc.
Totally agree, it's become an obsession.
I'm more interested in how dark a tv can go rather than how bright... which is why I won't consider and LED panel no matter how many ways they dress it up.
I often watch in a darkened room so Oled is more tempting for me.
I hear what you're saying but the oled black level makes the contrast higher than LCD in terms of perception, hdr and new specs like that I'm not too fussed about, I just want a good uniform screen that has a great picture and doesn't glow in the corners.
Philips made a 21:9 to years ago, I wonder why this didn't take off as I would consider this as a trade off to get a black barless picture for films and either put up with a cropped image top and bottom for general tv or side bars. LCD would be perfect for this!
Samsung are going backwards. My 2014 hu7500 has an sdr picture on a par or better than these.
Leds being placed on the bottom causes a lot of issues with uniformity. The 2015 models even had cinema black with worked very well but is also impossible on newer models. Unless Samsung up their game the likes of Sony and LG will leave them behind as they are being a lot more innovative right now. My current tv is a 2015 eg960 and i paid 1599 pounds for it and these new Qleds cannot even come close with sdr which is most of what we will watch for many years to come.
I can assure you, the HU7500 is not as good at SDR PQ and Samsung are not going 'backwards'.