Samsung 46L6 vs Sony 50A12

ash

Well-known Member
The prices are about the same, one is bigger. Which one is better?

Samsung has better picture quality right?
But Sony is 4" bigger, and you could say that it looks nicer,a nd it also comes with Freeview.

I can get both at the same price £1175.00 from Makro inclusing VAT.
 
K

kmhtkmhtkmht

Guest
Right.

Samsung wins.

Don't be a cheapo and just pau for Sky... (Who watched Freeview, Grannies?)
 

cooleo_no1

Standard Member
I'd get the Sammy.

Better PQ is always my priority.

PS. Freeview is good, especially considering its free. Why pay a rip-off price every month for 500 useless channels.
 

LV426

Administrator
Staff member
Might depend on your personal susceptibility to Rainbow/Eyestrain/Fatigue. The Sony will not cause these in the same way that any DLP might (if you are one of the unfortunate few).
 

logiclee

Well-known Member
Please try before you buy, there are quite a few people on here who find they are bothered by the DLP rainbow effect.

Also dont listen to the DLP's are great and the Sony is crap crowd. IMO there isn't that much in it. Good DLP's do blacks better and are slightly better with poor quality sources, the Sony has slightly better colour depth with HD, doesn't suffer with dot crawl and has no rainbows.

Demo both sets with different sources and decide for yourself.

Cheers
Lee
 

Beertiger

Standard Member
logiclee said:
Please try before you buy, there are quite a few people on here who find they are bothered by the DLP rainbow effect.

Also dont listen to the DLP's are great and the Sony is crap crowd. IMO there isn't that much in it. Good DLP's do blacks better and are slightly better with poor quality sources, the Sony has slightly better colour depth with HD, doesn't suffer with dot crawl and has no rainbows.

Demo both sets with different sources and decide for yourself.

Cheers
Lee
Here here, people really should decide for themselves. I like both the sets and if Robertsons hadn't gone to hell then I'd be enjoying my SP46L6 but now I'm enjoying my Sony A12 after trying it out and not seeing much difference at all. Plus for the price it's an amazing amount of screen.
 

slackbladder

Active Member
If my SP46 hadn't come today I would have gone for the Sony. I could'nt say which was better as I have'nt seen the Sony. But I'm happy with my Samsung. It does'nt have the blacks of my 42" Toshiba CRT Rear Projection it replaced but I can live with that. Generally it's very good (well, it's actually excellent with the right source - GT4 in 1080i is smashing, even though it's supposedly not a true 1080i signal, and the prog scan of my Pioneer 575 is excellent). But very dark scenes do look a bit washed out.
Sky channels are fine to be honest. The pic is as good as replaced Toshiba, better even as the brightness is consistant and no fear of screen burn.
Anyway, no complaints.
 

vipergrm

Well-known Member
I ordered a Sony 50A12 today from my local Sony Centre. £1,299 with stand and one year's warranty. Needless to say, there are none in stock at the minute but I should have it in a few weeks :)

After seeing both these sets side by side, I really could not see the difference between them. Baring in mind this was with a dodgy feed at Currys. I'm sure with a decent feed you would be able to be more distinctive but they both looked great except the vertical viewing angle on the Samsung wasn't great.

After waiting over a month on a Samsung SP46 I have now changed to the Sony. I hope I get it a bit quicker!
 

logiclee

Well-known Member
ashmufc said:
What about with HD feeds, I heard the SOny is more vibrant with HD feeds somewere.
Yep, I found the the Sony better with colours and brighter pictures.

The Samsung 46L6 is reviewed in Decembers HCC, gets a very mixed review, only 3.5 points for picture quality.

The main problem the reviewer found was the same thing I have said in this forum. The L6 has a far softer picture than the L7 and the TV doesn't handle bright contrasting colours well. The Sony is better with colours especially with good feeds.
The L6 does do blacks slightly better and does manage low bitrate digital TV channels, like Bravo etc, better.
Depends what your priorities are so go and demo both. :)

Cheers
Lee
 

slackbladder

Active Member
The SP46 has better blacks than the Sony 50"? In that case my one needs some adjusting or the Sony has awful blacks. The blacks are good on my SP46 as long as there are some bright areas on screen - say 40%. Too much of a dark scene and it gets washed out.
Red seems to be the only colour that is a bit off on my SP46. But it can be adjusted. And for some reason the PQ varies depending on what I'm watching or show to show. Even during a show. Watching Film 2005 all the studio and video footage was fine. But some of the film footage looked poor. Odd.
Any problems with smear on faces depends on the source it would seem. Channel 4 seems worse than BBC (on Sky). And the darker the scene the more likely there'll be a little smearing, though only ever on skin tones. But it really isn't too bad at all.
My only real disappointment with the TV is the black level. But I can live with it and generally it's fine.
 

logiclee

Well-known Member
slackbladder said:
My only real disappointment with the TV is the black level. But I can live with it and generally it's fine.
Hmmmm, the L6's I've seen have managed very well with blacks, the Sony has an auto iris and it does blacks better than any LCD or Plasma I've seen. The only place the Sony falls down is really black scenes like a night sky or space shot, you get all the detail but the darkest it will go is a very very dark grey. I thought the DLP sets I've viewed were slightly better but even then no match for a CRT.
The reviewer in HCC said the colours on the L6 look washed out due to the set having a green tinge.

Cheers
Lee
 

Snap

Standard Member
logiclee said:
The reviewer in HCC said the colours on the L6 look washed out due to the set having a green tinge.

Cheers
Lee
Lee,

I can't find that review on HCC site. where can i read it?
 

logiclee

Well-known Member
Snap said:
Lee,

I can't find that review on HCC site. where can i read it?
Decembers issue of Home Cinema Choice.

Cheers
Lee
 

vipergrm

Well-known Member
I read the review too and it did kinda make me stall on it. I think if the guy hadn't have seen the L7 in action first he would have given this a better score. It's odd because the Sagem 45" that everyone seems to dislike got 4.5/5 as did the Toshiba 46" (I think).

In terms of blackness, after seeing the Samsung SP46 and the sony 50A12 side by side with the same feed I really couldn't tell the difference. The black levels on the Sony are more than acceptable. Also, the vertical viewing angle is much better on the Sony I thought.
 

slackbladder

Active Member
Can't really see a green tinge on my SP46. But space shots etc do suffer from a very grey screen, so much so that it's hard to make out the stars. But it only has a 2000:1 contrast ratio? I don't expect too much. But blacks look fine when accompanied by bright colours etc.

However I think I may have a problem with my 1080i display. Every so often, maybe every 40 or 50 minutes the screen "bounces" - that's to say it flickers very quickly then returns to normal. Happens on component and HDMI. Think I'll get someone out to take a look. I'm worried something maybe on the point of failing! :rolleyes:
 

neilmcl

Well-known Member
slackbladder said:
Can't really see a green tinge on my SP46.
One of the reasons I sent my SP46 back, apart from the rainbow issues. I noticed the green tint when using the THX optimiser test to set up brightness, the black boxes had a brown and green tinge to them. This was only via an RGB input so I suspect that the RGB feed on mine may have been faulty.
 

slackbladder

Active Member
I have Sky on RGB and it looks fairly good. A little colour bleed.
Not tried DVD via Scart.
Only other little niggle is a slight specklingto the pic as if covered in tiny "pimples". Not always visible and depends on image shown. Didn't see it at all on a R1 "Spirited Away" but did on R2 "Revenge of the Sith". Still not a problem as is only slightly visible.
 

woodmaster

Active Member
logiclee said:
Hmmmm, the L6's I've seen have managed very well with blacks, the Sony has an auto iris and it does blacks better than any LCD or Plasma I've seen. The only place the Sony falls down is really black scenes like a night sky or space shot, you get all the detail but the darkest it will go is a very very dark grey. I thought the DLP sets I've viewed were slightly better but even then no match for a CRT.
The reviewer in HCC said the colours on the L6 look washed out due to the set having a green tinge.

Cheers
Lee
I tested the A12 with my Denon DVDA11 hooked up with HDMI and a clip from Star Wars The Empire Strikes Back and the blackness of the in space scenes looked as black as black is thats why i orderd one.
 

Beertiger

Standard Member
woodmaster said:
I tested the A12 with my Denon DVDA11 hooked up with HDMI and a clip from Star Wars The Empire Strikes Back and the blackness of the in space scenes looked as black as black is thats why i orderd one.
I've been playing Doom 3 on the A12 and as anyone knows that game is 95% pitch black. Very impressed by the set.
 

Snap

Standard Member
Beertiger said:
I've been playing Doom 3 on the A12 and as anyone knows that game is 95% pitch black. Very impressed by the set.
what resolution did you run Doom 3?
my Sagem doesn't go with 1024x768 :(
maximum what i can is 800x600. ALL other games are OK with 1280x720.
only DOOM 3 refuses tu run it's OPEN GL drivers and switches back to 800x600 as soon as it starts.
 

Beertiger

Standard Member
Snap said:
what resolution did you run Doom 3?
my Sagem doesn't go with 1024x768 :(
maximum what i can is 800x600. ALL other games are OK with 1280x720.
only DOOM 3 refuses tu run it's OPEN GL drivers and switches back to 800x600 as soon as it starts.
I ran Doom 3 at 480p on the xbox I'm afraid. The only PC game I've playing on the set is Half Life 2: The Lost Coast at 1920x1080.
 

Bat-man

Well-known Member
I know this sounds really 'Heath Robinson' but has anyone tried using a tinted screen in front of their set to improve blacks?
I have a little LCD set in the bedroom and I've fixed a 50% light transmission plastic sheet in front of the screen. OK - the brightness is compromised but the blacks a SO much better.
 

Bat-man

Well-known Member
Bat-man said:
I know this sounds really 'Heath Robinson' but has anyone tried using a tinted screen in front of their set to improve blacks?
I have a little LCD set in the bedroom and I've fixed a 50% light transmission plastic sheet in front of the screen. OK - the brightness is compromised but the blacks a SO much better.
Anybody?
 

Snap

Standard Member
Bat-man said:
I know this sounds really 'Heath Robinson' but has anyone tried using a tinted screen in front of their set to improve blacks?
I have a little LCD set in the bedroom and I've fixed a 50% light transmission plastic sheet in front of the screen. OK - the brightness is compromised but the blacks a SO much better.
Great idea!
where did you get that plastic?
I would at least try and see.
 

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