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Samsung 2D-to-3D conversion - post your results

Jedit

Active Member
Given the current paucity of real 3D content for our new shinies, I thought it might be a good idea to have a thread for Samsung owners to discuss the discs that have demonstrated good (or bad) results with the 2D to 3D conversion mode.

So far I've tried two discs: Star Wars (DVD) and Avatar (BD).

With that opening shot of the Star Destroyer flying overhead, Star Wars has to be at the top of any movie geek's 3D wishlist. The conversion package makes a brave attempt at it, giving the launch bay and the engine nacelles depth, but the ship as a whole appears to be too big for proper interpretation as it looks a bit flat. However, the shot of the Tantive IV being crippled has excellent perspective and the corridor shootout works well enough too. Unfortunately I didn't have time to watch the whole thing, but what I did see was fairly good.

Avatar, being made for 3D, gains more from the conversion. Again, I've not had time to watch the whole thing, but I did a "good bits skim" to pick out a few key scenes. The shot of the burning coffin shows just how much depth you can gain; it's like looking through a glass window into the scene. It's not as good as the cinema version simply because the size of a TV doesn't permit the same level of immersion, but objects occupy the space properly. I couldn't find the scene I really wanted to watch - Jake and Neytiri walking through the falling ash, which when seen in a cinema makes it appear as if the ash is falling on the people in the rows in front of you - but I intend to do a full watch of the movie soon and I'll find out then.
 

vader100

Well-known Member
Had a quick play with mine this morning. The football is very good. Took a look at the opening of Star Wars and agree the perspective shots are excellent.

I wouldn't use it for normal tv viewing but sports and films are going to have a whole new.. ahem.. dimension.:D
 

Howard Pitfield

Active Member
This looks like a very useful thread which I will keep my eye on - should it be made a "sticky" - especially if other manufacturers come out with their propriertary version?
 

Sunshinewelly

Distinguished Member
decided to watch some TV footage on monday - namely the new series of V on sifi HD.

I have watched a number of films with the convertor with some mixed results, usually the results were OK but some films really shined - casino royal for example is brilliant and so was the dark night.

i read a few reviews where lost was producing some pleasing results so thought i would give V a go.

Brilliant results. ended up watching 2 episodes and the depth really added to the enjoyment.

seems that from the reviews of the new sony sets that samsung are leading the race with their system of 2d/3d conversion.
 

DrDamn

Active Member
I'm interested to hear what doesn't work and what can break things too. Particularly in relation to games. I'll have a Sony set where the 2D-3D conversion is less aggressive and not considered quite a good based on what I've read. I did get a brief demo of it at John Lewis - accidental button press by the guy demoing - it was on a very old film (1960s I'd guess). Actually looked a lot better than I imagined it would - though it added very little to the scene due to the subject matter. Was interesting to see it working with an SD source, particularly one without great definition in the first place (being an old film).
 

vader100

Well-known Member
FPS games are good, played Resistance 2 this weekend for about 3 hours in 3D:smashin:

Top Gear didn't really work.
 

magicmat

Standard Member
Some brief results:
The Dark Knight, brilliant!
The Matrix, not very good
Up, Pretty good (not sure whether its just good "3d animation"
The Rock, awesome (lloks like it was made for upscaling!
Football, brilliant
Random TV (Chatty Man, The Big Bang Theory looked great!)

Overall, this is some kind of crazy magic, and I love it! Does anyone know HOW this works, and what the science "bit" is?!
 

Jedit

Active Member
Tried Donnie Darko on Blu-ray. I was expecting the early shot of Carpathian Ridge to have great depth, but it was almost completely flat. The only scene to really show off the 3D was when Donnie is found lying on the golf green. I've noticed that the conversion gets better as the focus becomes tighter and harder; the panorama shot blurs with distance while Donnie on the golf course is pin-sharp, which would explain that.
 

vader100

Well-known Member
I've found the better the PQ of the source the better the 3D conversion is.

Thus Donnie Darko isn't that good whilst Avatar is excellent.
 

Sunshinewelly

Distinguished Member
there is no cut and dried factor from my experiments.

for example v on the sc-fi channel is not cutting edge but worked wonderfully in 2d/3d.

However i found that red dead redemption was not that great and made my eyes hurt (when inside the towns anyway- outside in the open plains was brilliant). the frame rate seemed to dip in towns and this seemed to be reflected in the 2d/3d convertor.

i found quantum of solace was amazing with the convertor.

if you want to impress people show then skys presentation of zulu in HD through the convertor. (on a related point zulu in HD is the best example of any HD material that i have seen -better than any other blueray that i own)
 

magicmat

Standard Member
I experiemented with a few films yestaurday:
Star Wars (3) DVD OK, but not great, got confused on a few scenes
Jurrasic Park DVD OK, but a shame it wasent a bit better for the T Rex attack, and jeep chase

Also, Pixar films arent that great, suprisingly. Have tried Toy Story, Wall-E, and Finding Nemo. I think it must be something to do with the way the background is processed, and animation always being in "focus".
 

vader100

Well-known Member
I experiemented with a few films yestaurday:
Star Wars (3) DVD OK, but not great, got confused on a few scenes
Jurrasic Park DVD OK, but a shame it wasent a bit better for the T Rex attack, and jeep chase

Also, Pixar films arent that great, suprisingly. Have tried Toy Story, Wall-E, and Finding Nemo. I think it must be something to do with the way the background is processed, and animation always being in "focus".

That does surprise me, I figured they would be excellent for it.
 

Nielo TM

Distinguished Member
Samsung's 2D to 3D is quite amazing and it is pixel based

In comparison to simple 3D conversion where the image is horizontally split into three sections and placed in linier sequence (e.g. bottom section in front, middle section in middle and the top section set to back); the real-time 2D to 3D developed by Samsung (Object Based Depth Processing) functions by analyzing the input image and gathers (z) axis by decompiling the image to its individual pixels to process depth separation, which is achieved by scanning the frequency range of individual pixels as pixels with greater information (focused/detailed) have higher frequency range (bandwidth) then pixels that are blurred in the background, (along with pixel movement and pixel brightness). The processed data is then passed onto disparity optimization and L/R separation, which can be controlled by the user.
 

vader100

Well-known Member
Samsung's 2D to 3D is quite amazing and it is pixel based

In comparison to simple 3D conversion where the image is horizontally split into three sections and placed in linier sequence (e.g. bottom section in front, middle section in middle and the top section set to back); the real-time 2D to 3D developed by Samsung (Object Based Depth Processing) functions by analyzing the input image and gathers (z) axis by decompiling the image to its individual pixels to process depth separation, which is achieved by scanning the frequency range of individual pixels as pixels with greater information (focused/detailed) have higher frequency range (bandwidth) then pixels that are blurred in the background, (along with pixel movement and pixel brightness). The processed data is then passed onto disparity optimization and L/R separation, which can be controlled by the user.

Way beyond my understanding really:D but, based on that knowledge, what sort of content do think would respond best to the conversion process?
 

Nielo TM

Distinguished Member
High-bitrate DVDs, BD movies and uncompressed contents such as games.

Because Samsung's 2D to 3D is pixel based, the greater the pixel density the better the outcome. However, micro-blocking can negatively impact the effect, so make sure to input a clean source when testing.

Also, it is best to manually adjust the stereo-wideness according to the source for the best 3D image.
 
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Jedit

Active Member
hi all and could somebody please tell me which programmes and blu-rays etc can produce the best results with this conversion as i have got the samsung 3d plasma tv but it doesn't seem to look very good with it turned on so does it only really work with hd viewing and is it best with just animation or does it work well with all tv viewing such as sd channels as well?

Breathe, Skemp - breathe. :devil:

The 3D conversion doesn't seem to be dependent on video quality (though it helps) half so much as on content. If we're going to make generalisations, we have to figure out what specific types of content offer the best results. That's why this thread is here, because we haven't succeeded yet. If you want to be told what you want to know, experiment a bit and report your results - preferably with commas. The more different media we watch with the conversion on, the sooner we figure it out.
 

spadge007

Active Member
any bluray cartoons bee movie,bolt, ratatouille,cars,up etc all worked really well and anything that was already shot in 3d alice in wonderland,avatar, my bloody valentine blurays all were okay but starship troopers and scanner darkly were my favs
 

vader100

Well-known Member
2001: A Space Odyssey works pretty well on BD.
 

mike7

Distinguished Member
Some years ago the BBC did an evening of experimental 3D tv. (Honestly, I'm not making this up). You were required to cover one eye and view the screen through a tube like the centre of a toilet roll. The pictures shown were exclusively of a fixed object in front of a moving background. Scenes were constantly being panned from right to left. The outcome was a kind of 3D image. I cannot explain it, but it 'sort of' worked. Thankfully this idea has not caught on! Interestingly it does show that the brain can interpret a 3D perspective from an unlikely source. This probably explains why some of this 'faked' 3D works better than others especially where the background is in motion.
 
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