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  1. Bl4ckGryph0n

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    For good equal terms, and triggered by a story I just noted and left me shocked. Why not have thread regarding the conservatives as well.

    May I present the first plonker. What an absolute idiot.
    Boris Johnson faces criticism over burka 'letter box' jibe Johnson burka 'letter box' jibe sparks anger
     
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    Not very PC but then again I don't think the 'PC Crowd' were his target audience for those remarks, looks like a leadership challenge is coming.....
     
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    I saw the headline earlier but didn't think anything more of it. I think he's now being paid by the Telegraph to be more controversial, more of an agent provocateur, a Katie Hopkins a-like. After all, more controversy equals more clicks. The Daily Mail method of monetising "news".

    He's got history in making close to the bone, pseudo-racist remarks anyway.
     
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    Its actually religious, rather racist... But there you go:)
     
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    Whilst his article is distasteful and disrespectful it can't really be labled at the party . As such the OP title is a wee bit clickbaity with the Conservative front and foremost . Would of better been posted and discussed in the Conservative thread IMO.
     
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    Apologies, quite happy for a mod to close it and move it.
     
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    If he becomes Tory leader then I guess we can flog it to death a la Corbyn and his past behaviour.
     
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    Or just change the title....
     
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    I thought he was a newspaper reporter not a politician anymore?
     
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    Just plain old Islamophobia.
     
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    Why wait :)
     
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    Don’t think it is actually, I mean it’s a cultural rather then religious form of dress isn’t it?

    Denmark has banned it now as well, together with a whole raft of other face covering headwear. And issued the first fines for those continuing to wear it.

    To me this is more about Bojo being stupid at best to express the comments he made in public.
     
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    I think we're entering into a grey area. If it is a cultural norm for followers of a particular religion to wear a particular garment, and not for non-believers to wear that same garment, then is attacking the wearers of that garment tantamount to attacking the followers of the religion? I don't know but it's potentially a sticky situation to wade into.

    A quick look on wikipedia (yes, not a totally reliable source) shows that the Jewish kippah is the result of the requirement to cover one's head in the presence of God. It seems to me the requirements for wearing it are still subject to debate and argument amongst Jewish scholars and rabbis and also that the form of that covering has evolved over time, but the requirement is simply to cover one's head.

    This is similar to Sikhism where turbans were chosen simply because they made the men look more regal/important, but it could have been a simple piece of cloth tied like a headscarf, which is what I wear on the very odd occasion I go to a Sikh temple for a wedding or funeral, as I'm not religious.

    So, if BoJo had made a comment about turbans or kippahs (not sure what the plural is as I'm not familiar with Hebrew), would he have been in a similar situation? Criticising a form of religious dress that is cultural rather than proscribed specifically by the religion to be in that form and that form only.
     
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    No one should say things like the women look like pillar boxes or such like. It is disrespectful to foreigners or of that particular religious group. To our culture the Burqa does look very oppressive. It even looks a bit scary if you haven't seen if before. I suspect Bojo sees a lot of them around Kensington and Chelsea these days as that is where many Saudis live or stay.

    Having worked and lived in Saudi for donkeys it's hardly a new thing to me but I do have a problem with this particular dress code being adopted by Islamic cultures from other countries. It's not something I want to see become the norm for all Muslim women in Britain. But with the money that is coming here from the Middle East, it's difficult to stop.
     
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    Although stupid and deliberately playing to his potential 'base', this isn't racist Boris.

    This is racist Boris ...
    As ill advised as Obama was doing that as a favour to the British PM, Boris' personal racist put down was still disgusting and, as the Mayor of London, makes his successor's conduct towards POTUS appear warm and cuddly.
     
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    But at least he’s no a socialist, heaven forfend
     
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    Surprising isn’t it :devil::D
     
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    The point I attempted to make is that islamphobia is all encompassing. The burka specifically is worn by a tiny tiny minority. Further more his comments were about it looking ridiculous, which is inappropriate but not to dissimilar in suggestion that those ill fitting black suits and oversized white shirts some Orthodox Jews where also look ridiculous. That doesn’t make it anti Semitic against all Jews either. I would find anyone wearing such ill fitting suits and shirts looks ridiculous.

    Personally I don’t find the burka ridiculous, I actually partially like the mystery and has a certain sexiness about it. However I do agree with a partial ban like many other European countries have adopted for all face covering garments.
     
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    It does amuse me that the well educated well bought up with all that history social standing and class that priveledge and money brings to the table to this day have little or no social understanding awareness or skills .

    And yet the unwashed sort of love it in a reality tv way as oh it's Boris being Boris .
     
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    Or perhaps they do and hence they get away with it. Still find it a bad thing to say even by his standards.
     
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    You might like the mystery, but if the families have lined you up for marriage, it's a done deal before you discover what your wife to be looks like.

    Denmark is yet another country that has banned face covering garments, from 1St August. Yes, I agree with this.
    In the Arabian desert, it was the custom to keep your females protected from other tribes and theft. Islam and new laws about dress codes were strictly enforced (like ISIS) when Saudi was created. They still are, by the way.

    There are so many other Islamic countries where the code is quite different.
    I worked in Pakistan in the early 90s and the dress code was moderate.
    However, I do see that Pakistani families are now adopting the Saudi Burqa in Britain, even for school children, which I do not agree with.
     
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    How?

    If I think nuns outfits look daft, does that make me anti Christian?

    What if I think turbans look daft?

    I fail to see how disliking full face veils makes you against their religion.
     
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    He can keep going saying this tosh and I hope there is more to come as to much baggage in the trunk to become leader of the party however faux Trumpian he wants to takes it.
     
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    More fake outrage...
    If anyone gets offended by his comments they really need to get a grip
    Would appear so in these PC times
    Agreed
    And what makes me laugh is every faith is against all other religions
     
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    Hate to break it to you but this is not the 70s and most have moved on . Unless that is ( small scale ish ) one still believes one can grab a female workmates arse at work and whisper crude comments in her ear ?

    It's not all about being PC friendly , it is respecting people's culture ,religion and beliefs . Not to hard is it ?
     
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    He has an irrational fear of them, hence phobia.
     
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    Wouldn't know, II've never grabbed anyone's arse lol...don't see what a quip about 'burqas has to do with grabbing anything

    Funny how people mention respect like it has to be dished out like confetti ....
    Don't we have to respect Boris Johnson s right to an opinion then...
     
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    Why are these things automatically deserving of respect!

    Nuns look like penguins.

    Full face veils look like letterboxes.

    Who gives a toss? If that offends you, so what? What gives your offence more weight than my right to express a perfectly legal statement.

    It's not islamophobia to criticise ridiculous clothing.
     
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