Ryanair flight descends 27,000 feet in seven minutes

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    'Dozens hurt' as Ryanair flight loses pressure
    It's not that there was severe loss of cabin pressure at 33,00 feet.
    It's not that the descent was fast enough that at least thirty people were injured including burst ear drums which are unlikely to heal fully.
    It's that there was no support at all at the German airport from Ryanair.
    The poor passengers had been traumatised and were abandoned by Ryanair.
     
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    Why do people still fly with this company?
     
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    Not been a good week for unplanned rapid descents

    'Vaping' pilot behind China plane drop

    This one was a vaping co-pilot who was covering up his crime and accidentally turned off the air :facepalm:
     
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    Because they are cheap.
     
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    God knows I'm no fan of RyanAir, but without more info I'm inclined to give them the benefit of any doubt:
    • The plane lost cabin pressure at 11,000m (35,000ft). There is absolutely nothing else to be done than to get down to 3,000m as quickly as possible (controlled descent). Broken eardrums were caused by the altitude, not the descent. In any case, better that than permanent brain damage. The cabin O2 supply is to keep you going during that process.
    • Perhaps the crew had other things to do for 15 minutes than to tell the passengers what they could see for themselves. In any case, the picture hardly shows total panic.
    • Perhaps RyanAir had no staff on hand at Hahn, and had to rely on organising local support.
     
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    Apparently, when cabin pressure was lost, credit card readers descended from the ceiling on cords so that customers could pay for the oxygen masks to be deployed. :)

    Cheers,

    Nigel
     
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    Cheap isn't much good when you can't rely on them to get you to your destination. They consistently lower the bar with their customer service attitude into the bargain.

    I'm not bashing them for the rapid descent, these things happen. It's the way they left their passengers stranded, panicking in a foreign airport without having someone in place to manage things.
     
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    The mantra is usually aviate, navigate, communicate .
     
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    *adds to the list of reasons not to fly*
     
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    Shamelessly stolen from ‘Come Fly with Me’?

    David Walliams did this exact sketch on the show...
     
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    Flying to Spain with them next week...I’m not fussed about a repeat of recent events though.
     
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    Don't forget, you are much more likely to die in a car crash. hth.
     
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    Spain is a driving destination as far as i’m concerned! :laugh:
     
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    We’re going down to the south east. Hardly like popping to Calais :smashin:
     
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    Faster and cheaper to fly, plus you get to watch a movie :) (On your own device, of course)
     
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    I am more concerned about the quality of their maintenance given how they cut other things back as far as they can e.g. pushing pilots to fly with bare minimum fuel margin which only allows for the destination airport, they declare quite a number of fuel emergencies.
    The AAIB report on this incident could be interesting.
     
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    Nope. It’s not the fear of death. I just find no aspect of flying enjoyable.

    Only two things in life really scare the sh*t outta me and flying ain’t one of them.
     
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    Yup, done that drive. :)
     
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    I don't think many people find it 'enjoyable' - but it's the closest thing we've got to a Star Trek transporter :)
     
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    I don't mind the flying, it's airports that wind me up.
    After standing in the third queue I feel like chewing cud and going "Moo".
     
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    Choice,

    Sometimes they are the only airline flying to airports from the UK. believe me i would rather fly with others
     
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    Organising taxi to the train station or airport
    Waiting to checkin (hoping your baggage is under the weight allowance)
    Waiting to board
    Boarding
    Hoping you don’t get a smelly / fat / screaming child sat next to you
    Offered over priced food
    Being crammed in with the other peasants (can’t afford first class :( )
    Crappy toilets
    Hope you don’t get a “chair kicker” behind you
    Constantly wondering “are we there yet”
    Waiting to get disembark
    Waiting for baggage collection and hoping it survived the journey
    Waiting in queue for your hire car / hoping the taxi doesn’t over charge you.

    And repeat for the journey home. Phew......
     
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    vs Getting there 10-100x quicker :)

    Some pro tips:

    > Waiting to checkin

    Nope - do it online. Also irrelevant as you will be there days sooner.

    > (hoping your baggage is under the weight allowance)

    Haven't taken hold baggage for ages

    > Waiting to board

    Do whatever you want - you don't have to watch the road. Also, days sooner.

    > Boarding

    Yep you have to do this

    > Hoping you don’t get a smelly / fat / screaming child sat next to you

    Yep

    > Offered over priced food

    But eat your own

    > Being crammed in with the other peasants (can’t afford first class :( )

    Yep I guess

    > Crappy toilets

    Unless you are getting tanked up you won't need these for flights to Europe - plus they are on par with motorway service station toilets

    > Hope you don’t get a “chair kicker” behind you

    This is the third time for this one really

    > Constantly wondering “are we there yet”

    Nope - take a watch

    > Waiting to get disembark

    Yep that is a thing. Days sooner.

    > Waiting for baggage collection and hoping it survived the journey

    No baggage. Plus days sooner.

    > Waiting in queue for your hire car / hoping the taxi doesn’t over charge you.

    A hell of a lot quicker than waiting for your car to get there :)
     
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    I'm with you on this, First few times I flew I found it to be a fantastic experience particularly the take off and being amazed at the shear force of propelling a massive aircraft down a runway and up into the air. That aside it's a boring way to travel and as you say can be stressful too.
     
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    Pre-book airport parking, cheaper for me compared to taxi/train.
    Online check-in, weigh the bags on bathroom scales then straight to the bag drop-off
    Shopping/beer/lunch depending on the mood
    Stand in queue and browse AVF
    Pre book seats
    Either eat before, or bring my own snacks
    Go before getting on the plane
    One friendly look back at the culprit normally makes then stop, or recline your seat as it gives them less leverage.
    Know your arrival time
    Pre book seats close to the front or rear of the plane
    Go to toilet while bags are being off loaded.
    Pre book taxi with agreed prices.
     
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    Oh, and hoping there isn’t a stag / hen party on the same flight.
     
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    Ive seen that in Memes about Ryanair dating back from the noughties, its more likely that is where Walliams got it.
     
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    If there is you have probably picked the wrong holiday destination.
     
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    I did some repeat flying, Newcastle->Schipol->Nuremberg and back every two weeks, that is a big factor.
    Plus four months living in a hotel, spending half an hour a night waiting for food at a restaurant.
     
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    They still have to comply (and demonstrate compliance) with EASA standards in order to operate in EU airspace, along with all the other airlines out there - so they are as 'safe' as anyone else.

    Same applies for minimum / diversion fuel policy, they have to stay legal - which means carrying enough fuel to cater for missed approaches, loitering at destination for a period of time and then still being able to divert to another airfield. Any fuel over and above this 'minimum' is discretionary and whilst company policy may provide guidance, the decision will ultimately lie with the Captain of the aircraft.

    There were reports of a few aircraft (not only Ryanair) declaring fuel emergencies a while back which generated some negative press - weather was a factor in each incident. Ryanair were advised to review their fueling policies on the back of this but as far as I know, there were no mandated changes. The regulators will absolutely not accept an operator routinely declaring fuel emergencies in order to get priority landing slots.

    I write none of the above as a Ryanair fan-boy; their Customer service is clearly shocking but I'm not sure that's a culture that flows through any operator at present..........
     
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