Question RX-A3070 YPAO or Anti-mode

mjbtin

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Anyone using an anti-mode with an rx-a3070?
Did it improve bass?or did YPAO do as good a job?
Happy with the bass using ypao but have that feeling may be missing something:)
May see if I can get a used 8033 and give it a try.

Martin
 

stewjoy

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I had a rx-a3060 with a Antimode and loved it, really seems to blend the base into my system. Still use it with my Anthem.
 

fallinlight

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Dear @Gasp3621, : ) Indeed I do and I love it. Bass is now present, alive and defined. @Gasp3621, I still need to do my Fury Road reference test dude! PC building took over my life!

@mjbtin, Dear Martin,

I installed and ran my newly acquired Anti Mode 8033SII a few nights ago and I will never release it from my A3070. I got a really cracking price on it used, as new, from a fellow member on here. So, they do pop up, albeit infrequently. I now have near Dirac levels of bass control and performance. So, yes, it did improve my bass. Just note that the levels of improvement, if any, will be dependent on your particular room and setup. But from a non scientific basis , I doubt it not helping anyone.

Happy with the bass using ypao but have that feeling may be missing something:)
I believe you are in fact missing a lot ha ha. I was fine with YPAO handling my bass for years. But as @Gasp3621 originally informed me a year or more ago, YPAO is limited to what it does to your sub. There is no disputing the fact that that Yamaha PEQ does not in fact alter the sub EQ. YPAO does not apply PEQ adjustments to frequencies below 40 Hz as I understand it. Most EQ systems such as Dirac, ARC and Audyssey will EQ down to around 20 Hz or lower I believe. Hence, why an AM is so beneficial. You could also take manual measurements using REW and adjust the PEQ yourself. I held on to my UMIK-1 for such, but I feel it might be handy to keep anyway, it being somewhat hens teeth to purchase, without importing at least.

Someone else can chime in more about the limitations of YPAO - @Gasp3621? I could tell straight away, visually from the sub PEQ - after running YPAO, it had very little to compensate due to the AM (Anti Mode). I haven't checked with REW to see the differences and all the jazz, but hey.

Still, I will never forget Dirac's bass performance in my room. But my A3070 out classed my AVR550 for me and I am so happy I stuck with my beloved A3070. With the 8033SII, I am totally content and in love with my sound.

Warm and well wishes,

fallinlight
 
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mjbtin

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Thanks for the input guys:smashin:.
Was a bit undecided now I need an anti mode:laugh:
Missed out on the last 2 that came up in the classifieds but have a wanted add now.Will give it a couple of weeks if I get no joy will have to get a new one.

Martin
 

mjbtin

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Regarding YPAO thought I read that the older version eqd down to 30hz but the newer YPAO RSC eqd down to 15hz?

Martin
 

panman40

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Regarding YPAO thought I read that the older version eqd down to 30hz but the newer YPAO RSC eqd down to 15hz?

Martin
I think I heard that also Martin, I know I’ve tried an AM on 2 occasions now but sold them on again, I think my room is rubbish for audio and bass so I was probably asking to much. I found I lost to much bass with the antimode.
Thing is though it’s worth trying one as you will loose hardly anything on it if it doesn’t work out for you.
Martin.
 

fallinlight

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I found I lost to much bass with the antimode.
Are you certain you were not used to the more refined bass the AM may have given you? A lot of people get accustomed to inaccurate and loud bass. I guess XT32 already did a good enough job for you, though.
 

stewjoy

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The antimode takes the harshness out of the base, as you say it’s more refined. Maybe that’s the issue with some members they probably like that harshness.
 

fallinlight

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@stewjoy, possibly for some, yes, I agree. Apart from more control and finesse, my sub definitely digs deeper. Love it. After more listening last night, I think it is on par or close to what Dirac with my AVR550.
 

panman40

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Are you certain you were not used to the more refined bass the AM may have given you? A lot of people get accustomed to inaccurate and loud bass. I guess XT32 already did a good enough job for you, though.
No I dont think so, everything just lacked bass and this was with my RX A3060. I've always had Yamaha until this Marantz sr7012.
I've thought about a mini DSP to try and for the beq side of things but I have no more socket room for anything else!.
 

fallinlight

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No I dont think so, everything just lacked bass and this was with my RX A3060. I've always had Yamaha until this Marantz sr7012.
I've thought about a mini DSP to try and for the beq side of things but I have no more socket room for anything else!.
Ah OK, must be your specific room then. Did you run sweeps with REW to see what was really going on with your bass?

Ha ha, socket room!
 

panman40

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Ah OK, must be your specific room then. Did you run sweeps with REW to see what was really going on with your bass?

Ha ha, socket room!
Lol I haven’t a clue about Rew!,
 

fallinlight

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Lol I haven’t a clue about Rew!,
Me neither ha ha, but will probably study it and give it a go at some point.. if I do not sell my UMIK-1.
 

mjbtin

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Me neither ha ha, but will probably study it and give it a go at some point.. if I do not sell my UMIK-1.
Would be interested in your findings if you decide to use REW:)

Martin
 

Gasp3621

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Regarding YPAO thought I read that the older version eqd down to 30hz but the newer YPAO RSC eqd down to 15hz?

Martin
The automatic setup for YPAO doesn`t do much eq for subwoofer. Gene (Audioholics) actually mentioned in the "ported vs. sealed" YT video that YPAO really sucks for subwoofer eq, he has lot of experience from different receivers, i believe he owned the A30x0 some time. There is manual PEQ option which let`s you tweak certain frequencies down to 15,6hz, but you would need to work with REW. Looking back i remember many Yamaha owners being very happy after adding AM, but each room is different. Keep us posted when you get one, always intresting to hear peoples experiences. :)
 

mjbtin

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Will report back when I finally get an AM.Getting a bit impatient now might have to buy new,no joy on a used one in the classifieds or fleabay:(

Martin
 

panman40

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Will report back when I finally get an AM.Getting a bit impatient now might have to buy new,no joy on a used one in the classifieds or fleabay:(

Martin
Martin give Tom an email, you might get a little bit of discount on a new one :)
 

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