Rob Sinden
Distinguished Member
MISSION - why do you think you need treatment for good sound.
You dont.
You dont.
Thanks, I did and GIK just wanted to plaster the walls and ceilings and corners with treatments...
Its very clear that the systems Ricky sells must have treatment for best results. The 10 systems I have here don’t. But the only way you can tell is to Go Compare!
MISSION - why do you think you need treatment for good sound.
You dont.
Thanks, I did and GIK just wanted to plaster the walls and ceilings and corners with treatments...
Yup. I did, but still just a one size fits all solution. Ideally a company would have the confidence to offer a trial period so could see if they genuinely make a difference!Every room/system/expectations are different and it depends on how far you are willing or indeed can go. If you make this clear to them they may suggest just treating your primary and/or secondary reflection points.
Yup. I did, but still just a one size fits all solution. Ideally a company would have the confidence to offer a trial period so could see if they genuinely make a difference!
Customer would pay the full price but have a longer return period, say a month.Mmm, not sure how the logistics and margins would work on that... I suppose if you just want to see if they'll make a difference perhaps diy a couple of panels and take it from there?
Customer would pay the full price but have a longer return period, say a month.
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Well in that case, as per their FAQ section, your wish has been answered l:
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Interesting. I already have acoustic plasterboard on the walls and ceiling and a heavy acoustic curtain over the door. It feels very hushed and dead in there already.We are also a specialist acoustic treatment and stretch fabric company (Smart Trilogy) as well as cinema designers/builders/installers.
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We have a client list ranging from many West End theatres, recording studios, Bank of England, Tate Modern, Royal Society of Arts, Somerset House, The Shard, Royal College of Music to name but a few.
We have not treated our main demonstration cinema room bar fabric walls and carpet.
Our media room has a BASWA acoustic plaster ceiling and professional theatre curtains for the windows to tame the room a little.
Rich@SeriouslyCinema
Better start saving the 70k for the Lyngdorf! Seriously though I added an Antimode, I'm sure it's not in the same league, but the difference is night and day, the best AV or hifi upgrade I have ever bought.Mindforge - so you dont need treatment............
A Lyngdorf 7.2.4 Atmos system starts about £22k, but the same would be true in you had a £10k budget and you were using a Receiver. I’ve been demonstrating systems like this in live untreated rooms for 30 years and they sound incredible.
Come and hear a system like this, in this room and see what you think.
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What would be your general advice please Rob, as to 'treatments' in the scenario below...yes/no or maybe?I’m very happy to have a debate with anyone on this subject. I did this for a trade magazine 6 months ago which led to the video posted above.
If you have good speakers in a big good you’ll have good sound. Put them in a small room and sound quality is compromised. By far the biggest problem your room has created is a change in frequency response. No amount of acoustic design and treatment can fix this. If you can show me any design that does, I’ll give you £1000.
Room correction can correct the response of your speakers and there are dozens of graphs on Forum showing this. This is easy to measure and hear.
The starting point of people selling treatment or design is that because you have a room, you have a problem which in nonsense. People have had great sound in their homes for years without either treatment or room correction.
Its very clear that the systems Ricky sells must have treatment for best results. The 10 systems I have here don’t. But the only way you can tell is to Go Compare!
Thanks, I did and GIK just wanted to plaster the walls and ceilings and corners with treatments...
Thanks for your considered thoughts Rob.Hi Apollo
I’d find photos of the room useful and ideally sitting in it, but it sounds fairly standard…
With the kit you have I’d say you should get a very good sounding system if you can sit off the back wall. I’d install it and listen and see if there is anything wrong with it or that you find unpleasant and then consider the options for improvements, if required.
Ideally you really should have the closest match of speakers all around and above you. Everyone is excellent at detecting changes in sounds as they move around you and this is obviously going to be something you notice in your room as you have 3 different types of speakers.
Obviously this typically looks ugly but.....
One thing you should be aware of is that the sound you hear is a combination of the direct sound from your speakers and the reflections off the walls.
By putting absorption on the wall you will be completely changing the sound of the reflections. This means the overall sound of your speakers will be changed. So while you will be improving clarity and imaging, you will be spoiling the tonality of your speakers.