Ripping music and films illegal again

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  1. Pugs1

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    Sorry if this has been posted but it appears its now illegal to rip music etc and stream across devices and so forth again

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    Good luck with them enforcing that.
     
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    I better stop then........ :devil:
     
  4. Pugs1

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    Wonder if Amazon will stop auto ripping MP3 on CDs you buy...
     
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    It's stupid laws like that that drives people to piracy.
     
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    Other than illegally share it via bittorrent or broadcast etc. If I paid for it I should be able to do whatever I want with it.

    And I will continue to do so.

    Utterly ridiculous law and the music industry do themselves no favours in getting this overturned.
    Do they actually think it's fair if I buy a CD then I need to purchase a digital copy as well?
    Muppets.
     
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    Pretty stupid move by Basca here, especially as it doesn't protect anyone just annoys paying customers who are now legally in the grey (once again).
     
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    Nothing like a bit of context:

    "The proposed measures are mainly targeted at the distributors of pirated content - the people creating copies of movies, sometimes before release, and uploading them to be downloaded by thousands upon thousands."

    Sounds fair to me.
     
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    Really? 10 years in prison for copyright infringement sounds fair? You get less than that for kiddy diddling.
     
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    "kiddy fiddling" as you put it carries a maximum life sentence.

    The article you quoted suggests a maximum penalty of 10 years imprisonment is "being considered." Bearing in mind the loss to studios from piracy could be millions of pounds, that compares quite favourably with, for example, arson laws where £30,000 of damage can lead to life imprisonment.

    Don't let facts get in the way of a good chance to slam the Tories!
     
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    'could' is an awfully strong word. The jailing for potential losses to private companies over actual costs to people and/or companies.

    Arson does lead to damage and could lead to the endangerment of life.
     
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    The loss could be millions of pounds, but there is no way to prove that anyone that watches or listens to an illegal copy of anything would have paid to watch/listen to it, had the illegal version not been available. Of course the industry would have us believe that every single download is a lost sale.

    I'm sure many people download stuff just because they can and never actually get around to viewing or listening to it.
     
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    The Games with Gold pile of shame (growing) is testament to that
     
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    Surely should be no more than a £1 fine, plus a suspended sentence :mad:
    Promoter of £21m pyramid scam ordered to pay back £1 - BBC News

    :p
     
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    So in other words.........................Carry on.
     
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    Artists impression? ...something like this? :rotfl:
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    A vast improvement :D
     
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    It should be clearer so the context is not debatable.

     
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    Well, here's hypothetical/rhetorical/critical thinking, It was legal so I ripped my CDs to mp3s and put them on my iPhone. Now I'm branded a criminal anyway so why not pass all my mp3s around all my mates, I've still broken the same law in their eyes.

    And before anyone points out that's dumb, yes it is, and it's also hypothetical. And my CDs are in the attic, and their ALAC equivalent are on my phone and my phone only.

    I don't think they've thought this through.

    If we all decide to go to Apple and buy there because they provide the format and licensing we need for use on the devices we want to use them on, legally, wouldn't this also harm the (UK) record/CD/music distribution industry in the same way as if I pirated an album instead of buying the CD at a local HMV? The money would bypass the UK and go straight to Appleville.

    The alternative would be to allow "fair use" and then I could buy my music on CDs and rip them to use on my devices. They get a CD sale, the government get the taxes and I get legal use of the music how I want (and a physical backup).

    Everyone could be happy, or they could end up throttling the UK music distribution industry and end up out of a job because of their own stubbornness.

    Jas.
     
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    Like it or not, piracy is now normal.
     
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    If you hum or sing a tune, or think about a tune in your head, you will be prosecuted for copyright infringement
     
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    but i can still buy a digital copy on apple and 'rip' that to a CD :)
     
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    uh...just got a ripper program to rip my stacks last week
     
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    Have you ripped this song?

    Judas Priest - Breaking The Law
     
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    Love this :)

    Likewise, how do I play a Blu-ray or DVD on my iPad on the plane (I use the plane as example because no streaming available)?

    I'm allowed to make a single backup, but I'm not allowed to break on-disc protection (AnyDVD for example), so I can't actually make a backup in the first place.

    In my opinion, this is just a ploy to move more and more people to streaming rather than buying physical discs.

    I've said it once and I'll say it a zillion times. I'm convinced the majority of pirates do it because they don't feel they're getting good value for money. £1.50 for a song or £15 for an album is nothing other than insane.

    If a new release album was around £5 a lot more people would buy it, so the music industry won't be any worse off because more sales at lower price equals less sales at higher price.

    Sky Store at nearly £7 for a HD film. Cinema £13 per ticket. What the ****!
     
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    Digital prices at times are a complete joke. How can they justify charging more for a digital download than you can buy the same thing, better quality, for less?

    While pricing has a lot to do with it, you'd still get people pirating if films/songs only cost 1p. Some people just don't want to pay, no matter how cheap.
     
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    Oh I agree entirely, but that's a very small minority I would say.

    It should be a case of buying the "thing" and then being able to choose how you use it, and not a once-only choice.

    So I've gone to the owners website, in this case say New Line Cinema, and paid for the Hobbit trilogy on Blu.

    I can, there and then, download an ISO/MKV/MP4 whatever of the film and/or get a physical disc sent if I choose. For an album it's the same with the ability to hop on over to iTunes and it's there ready to be downloaded, in my "account".

    It's not like we don't have the technology to enable/offer this service: Sky is not a million miles from this with their Buy and Keep service. It needs to be like this but usable from any device.
     
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    I used to love the business model of AllOfMP3.com.

    You paid based on quality/data size. So you could get free 128kpbs tracks and then paid for 256, 320kbps tracks, and even more for FLAC. I spent hundreds of pounds on that site until VISA pulled the plug and I couldn't top up my account any more. In 2007 it offered a better service and quality than iTunes does today.
     

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