Answered Rift or Vive!?

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    1. onezeon

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      Having got my gaming laptop recently (specs in sig) ive been very tempted to get into vr on pc.
      The games and the tracking over psvr is the main reason.

      But looking into it the rift is 400 and the vive is 500.
      Ive seen people say rift is better....then next thing i see is the vive is better lol

      Ill be placing my laptop on the tv unit and have got a decent amount of floor space if needed
       
    2. huxley

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      These sort of questions are best answered by trying out the headsets yourself and seeing what works best for you.

      Nice laptop btw, msi?
       
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    3. onezeon

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      No way of trying them tbh as dont know anyone using them.
      Ive had psvr so know I dont get vr sickness so far.

      Laptop is hand built by pcspecailist
       
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      Had both. Rift didn't get touched once I bought Vive. Plus wireless on Vive is a total game changer .
       
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      It might be worth checking local retailers near you. I know PC World / Currys had demos for Vive and Rift in some locations last year. Another thing maybe to wait for the usual black Friday deals.
      Oculus did some software bundles with a slight reduction and HTC did one with the fancy audio strap and a Viveport sub.
       
    6. onezeon

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      Any idea when black Friday deals start?

      Vive is one in leaning towards atm
       
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      Get a Rift. Both have advantages over the other but there are more advantages, and most importantly more important advantages, in getting a Rift instead of a Vive.

      Rift

      The Rift's displays are sharper and clearer, the Rift is lighter and more comfortable to wear (unless you spend an extra $100 on a Vive Deluxe Audio Strap), the Rift has great quality built-in headphones, it has considerably less SDE, it's more aesthetically pleasing to the eye, has the advantage of ASW (the Vive has a similar system called Motion Smoothing but Oculus are soon going to enable ASW 2.0 which will stop the artefacts that both systems currently have), the Touch controllers are better designed with analog sticks instead of crappy track pads, grip buttons in a sensible place (most developers don't bother using the grip buttons on the Vive controllers because some idiot that designed them decided to put them where it's difficult or awkward for players to press them) and finger tracking and the Rift comes with a ridiculous amount of free games and software.

      Vive

      More space for glasses wearers, less noticeable god rays, better tracking out of the box without needing to buy a third sensor.

      The Rift is the best buy out of the two even if the prices were the same but with the Rift being a hundred notes cheaper it's really a no brainer getting one tbh. Even if you buy a third sensor it still ends up being 40 quid cheaper.
       
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      Get a vive it’s not owned by Facebook :clap:
       
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      The controllers on the rift and the headset are great from the research ive been doing.

      Hmmmm decisions and should I wait for black Friday hmmm arrggg
       
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      Get the Vive in a Black Friday deal, definitely.

      Facebook don’t prioritise PCVR anymore.

      Facebook are not building high end PCVR anymore.

      Facebook just want to create an eco system to benefit themselves not to benefit the whole VR community.

      Oculuses top PCVR guy, Brendan Itibe just eft in protest.

      Facebook lock you into their hardware so you can’t upgrade to other manufacturers in the future.

      Dispite what Snowdog says both headsets weight the same. Vive use to be heavier when it was first released in 2016 but over time the Vive weight has been reduced.

      Vivers are about to get next gen controllers - Knuckles that have more features than the Rifts Touch controllers. Even Rifters want them although they pretend not to.

      Once you have a Vive Base pack you can upgrade you headset to Vive Pro or Pimax no problem.

      Rift sensors use USB cables and each cable needs to be routed to your PC. Once you add a third sensor you won’t be able to see your PC for cables. It’s worse than Christmas lights and can take days to untangle lol.

      Vive Lighthouse sensors only need a power outlet. Unless you’re living in a pre Victorian house you should be able to place a sensor anywhere in your room. No problem.

      Rifts have been plagued with headphone problems.

      Rift senors are cameras and watch you while you watch porn.

      The guys on the Oculus Forums are horrible and hate on other manufacturers because of their insecurities. They know Facebook don’t really care about PCVR and get riled when people point that out. They get you banned because they can’t handle the truth.

      If you want the whole VR community to succeed don’t support a company that discriminates other HMDs. Support Vive and Steam because they support everyone wether it’s software or hardware dev/manufacturers.
       
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      Get a Rift, end of debate.
       
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      As a Rift owner I and can whole heartedly advise you to get a Vive.
      This conclusion is from the perspective of a current Rift user who switched from Vive and is know waiting for the deals to come along so I can jump back.

      @Atmos "Rift senors are cameras and watch you while you watch porn." lol nope.
      You can set up a driver to use them as a camera but the image is B&W and very low res. They also cant do both jobs at the same time...………… I was bored
       
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      @huxley you probably already read this but I’ll post it for the OP.

      Oculus Sensors Are Technically Hackable Webcams

      https://uploadvr.com/hackable-webcam-oculus-sensor-be-aware/


      The right side of the above image was pulled by Kreylos from one of his Oculus Sensors. These “Sensors” are essentially cameras used to track the position of the Rift and Touch controllers in three dimensional space by picking up the imperceptible glow of infrared lights all over the headset and controllers. What Kreylos demonstrated, however, is that with a bit of informed tinkering, one can actually pull a recognizable image from the Oculus Sensor as if it was a low resolution black and white camera.

      upload_2018-11-4_16-25-24.jpeg
       
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      Theyre watching you. Lol
       
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      Ok after a lot of back and forth I'm going for the Vive.

      The tracking boxes only needing a power socket is a big plus for me as I want 2 in front near TV unit and a 3rd on the rear wall behind....and wiring up the rift cams with extension leads makes my missus a killer lol
      Also future upgrade options and rechargeable controllers are nice.

      Now I can order one now through VERY.CO.UK with £40 off....so paying £460
      Or I could wait for Black Friday but any chance they being much cheaper deals!?

      Buy now or worth waiting a few weeks??

      Thanks all

      Edit - Regarding the hack rifts...if someone wants to watch me jerk off they can ask and I'll provide 1080p colour......
       
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      If you're lucky your Vive controllers will break INSIDE the warranty period! :p :D :p
       
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      I would wait until black Friday TBH. I would still recommend trying to get some demos in the mean time.

      @Atmos yea that's the article I originally read.
       
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      Do we know when BF is dated yet?
       
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      23rd November and cyber Monday being 26th November
       
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      Talking about the cameras, the Rift sensors are sexy little bullet cameras which can be very discrete looking, where the Vives are like mounting satellite speakers to your wall.
      If I had a Vive the wife would NOT let me put them on the wall at all, where she doesn't mind the Rifts sensors (I did have to use trunking for the cable though).
       
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      Could someone with a Vive please post a photo of their lighthouses (wall mounted preferably) for comparison?


      C83F20CF-3D27-40A1-93C6-22D753C065C7.jpeg 06B9FB74-0E0C-43D5-A5AD-BD0404C7F59A.jpeg
       
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      In this scenario the lighthouses are probably going to be the best fit. With using the power sockets it allows a bit more flexibility in the laptop location, it also allows the laptop to be used for browsing and other non VR thingswithout faffing around removing usb cables each time.

      I don't think either method is particularly better than the other though, both will work well enough, you have to look at how you intend to use and room setup, for me the rift was a better fit. I do not live in a pre victorian house, its a bog standard 3 bed 70's semi but all my plugs are in a crap location and are already fully utilized (i didn't fancy daisy chaining extensions). Also if you planned to be mobile with your VR setup or intend to pack the kit away after each sitting then being able to plug straight into the laptop and then quickly calibrate is easier than surveying each room for potential available power ports, my room is not big enough for proper room scale so a third sensor behind was not needed.

      The Camera thing though? using that as a reason is ridiculous tbh, even if you where to seriously consider it an issue the fella is buying a laptop with a webcam.

      for deals, iirc last year they had a decent deal on the vive with the deluxe audio strap and I would be keeping an eye out for that as it addresses a couple of things i felt let the original vive down

      cheers
       
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      I’m not the best person to ask for examples.

      [​IMG]
       
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      My other one you can’t even see unless you look close.

      [​IMG]
       
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      I couldn't get those past the wife, they are larger than my cinema room speakers unfortunately.
       
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      @onezeon if you let us know whereabouts you are there might be a kind soul who'll invite you round to have a test.

      I'm a Rift owner and I do find it to be quite a PITA at times. There always seems to be a warning up about one sensor or another, it's very fussy about USB, you need extra USB cards if you want 3 sensors and it's fussy about the drivers you use for it.

      I've never found Oculus room scale to be 'plug and play'.

      It's also annoying me at the moment as it insists on downloading updates to the same drive I have my OS on and it runs out of space as my OS is in a small drive. All the games are stored on another drive, why can't it download updates there then just install them from there?

      But then the Rift is still very competitively priced. What could I buy with the difference in cost between the two? A decent wheel? A decent HOTAS? That's what it would always come down to for me, with the actual headsets being so closely matched.

      Not sure the OP's 1070 would support a new generation Pimax. Even @Atmos hasn't recommended one in this case.
       
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      Good job she doesn’t have problems with printers :p

      What speakers do you have they must have less than a 3cm driver?

      The lighthouses are quarter the size of a Blu-ray case.

      [​IMG]
       
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      Valves Smooth Motion technology came out since which is equal to Oculuses ASW which will help in a lot of cases.

      It also depends on the game and what CPU you have too. But yeah for Pimax I wouldn’t want anything less than a 1080ti. No one ever said high end VR was cheap.
       

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