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Return of the Jedi question...

DavidPeat

Novice Member
This has bugged me for quite a while but I've never got round to asking about it...

I am sure that when I saw the original film in the cinema all those years ago, that I remember the following scene:

As the rebel fleet comes out of hyperspace for the 'surprise' attack on the new Death Star, there is a bit of dialogue with Lando along the lines of:

'I get no reading on the shields'
'There's got to be a reading up or down...'
'How could they be jamming us if they didn't know we were coming'
'Pull up it's a trap...'

At which point all the fighters pull up and away from the Death Star into the waiting clutches of the Imperial fleet.

Anyway - back to the question. I am sure that at this point, one of the X- or Y-wings didn't pull up fast enough and hits the force field and explodes. This isn't on any of the latest videos I have. (It might have been on olders ones - I've gone through about 3 different copies.)

Anybody recognise this or is it a figment of my delusional mind :D
 

Tim Ashdown

Active Member
I remember something vaguely, but I think I'm getting it confused with Independance Day:confused: .

Could you be confusing it with ID4?
 

DavidPeat

Novice Member
Yep - I know the scene, but I am sure it was in RotJ. I think I remember it because it punctuated the fact that the shield was still up.
 

Daftboy

Novice Member
Got a original version of ROTJ and it's on there.
I know this is something that was muttered about the Revised Trilogy, that's why I've transferred my originals onto DVD for myself and ordered the new version for the kids.

The new version doesn't do it for me, but each to their own!
 

Garrett

Moderator
Can’t remember it being on my copy of it, also Lando is in the lead of all the craft, in the Millennium Falcon so he would have been the first to hit the field.
Also this was before George Lucas started editing scenes.
 

scrapbook

Distinguished Member
Why o why did he mess with the originals!

I purchased the Remixes on video the very first time they came out in a box set - Asda were selling them VAT free...have given them away since! Sticking with the originals..must convert to DVD some time!

Come to think of it why o why did he make Episode I and II!
 

DavidPeat

Novice Member
Cheers Daftboy - I knew I wasn't imagining it.

Scrapbook - in my opinion, the writing was on the wall as soon as the Ewoks turned up...
 

pj

Well-known Member
iirc (and shame on me for not being exact even though i have probably seen it 1000+ tiMES!)
one of the a-wings gets shot and kamikazes through a star destroyer bridge where the imperial officer (ozzel iirc) shouts "shields" but its too late and it bursts through in flames and they jump out of the way
 

castle

Standard Member
I believe the officer in question was Admiral Piett, as Ozzel had already been despatched by Vader in Empire for 'failing him for the last time'!

However, the other posters are quite correct and I distinctly remember a scene showing a wave of Alliance fighters crashing in to the barrier that is not present on the so-called Special Edition.

Regards

Mark
 

pj

Well-known Member
piett! thats the one
ozzel was mr.bronson!
i dont remember the scene ill check it on the originals when i get home

the "how can they be jamming us if they dont know were here" and "its a trap" (followed by imho the worlds greatest pre CG shot) was always the same iirc the one that crashes through was shot in the engines or something
 

Garrett

Moderator
Just looked on my video of it (The Digitally Remastered one) and it does not crash although one of the pilots seems to be set up for one as questions Londo rather than pulling up. I wonder why the scene was pull?
I noticed when they showed Star Wars on TV the one with the new graphics they cut the bit where the trooper bangs his head.

Seem ID4 took more than a few ideas from Star Wars.
 

DavidPeat

Novice Member
I don't have an original VHS to check but I did look at the old special edition widescreen version (years before the remastered ones) and it's not on that.

Looks like I was imagining it then...
 

Garrett

Moderator
Originally posted by DavidPeat
Looks like I was imagining it then...
Did you read the book of it as it may have been in that?
 
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FoxyMulder

Guest
I still have the old original videos i'll check this out later, thats if i can recall how to work the video it feels like an antique these days :)
 

Garrett

Moderator
Also in the Original Star Wars one of the X-wing is told to pull up but says he can handle it and them promply gets blasted to bits.
 

BrynTeg

Distinguished Member
checked all my copies,original rental vhs and all the laserdiscs and this scene isnt in any of them,but on the audio tapes where you listened as you read a little book had the scene,maybe your imagiantion thinks you saw it but you just heard it and imagined it??
 

Alan1975

Standard Member
Just thought I'd point out that the A-wing fighter kamikazes through the bridge of the Imperial fleets "Super Star Destroyer" (know doubt the big daddy before they built the death star!) Which then subsequently nose dives into the death star (dodgy special effect explosion) much to the relief of that frog thing leading the rebel fleet.

God damm it, why was SW 1 & 2 so p*ss poor!
 

gargoyle

Active Member
I'v watched the films, videos and all the laserdiscs and have also read the books and can definitely say that some of the fighters DO collide with the death stars shield - trouble is, I can't remember where I saw/read it!
Its a bit like in tron - I watched it in 82 and for years, could have sworn that I'd seen pacman in the film - when the laserdisc box set (widescreen) came out in 98, on the extreme right hand side of the screen was pacman!
 

gtg60

Novice Member
Whilst I agree the scenario is familiar, I don't think it happened, it definately doesn't on my tape from the 'Definitive Star Wars Trilogy' box set or mentioned in the accompaning script. All pre 'special edition'.

Keith
 

PoochJD

Well-known Member
Hi,

According to the IMDB site, there are numerous scenes and bits that appear/disappear, depending on which print or version of the original trilogy you viewed. It appears, though, that Lucas has tinkered with each film on so many occasions, for so many different reasons, that a full, uncut and "original" version no longer exists.

It would be a nice gesture to fans, if Lucas, just stopped tinkering with them, and instead, released just one version of each of the original trilogy, comprising of the original 1977, 1980 and 1983 releases, and include all the changes, in a seperate section as a kind of "deleted/modified scenes" section!

Has there ever been a movie that's had more tinkering and changes/modifications made to it, than the original SW Trilogy?!

Pooch
 

Garrett

Moderator
Did you see the South Park episode where the lads were complaining theselves about the tinkering by Spielberg and Lucas? Although a comedy they put some very valid pints forward.
 

Sinzer

Well-known Member
Although a comedy they put some very valid pints forward.
Surely they are too young to drink!
 

gtg60

Novice Member
Originally posted by Garrett
Did you see the South Park episode where the lads were complaining theselves about the tinkering by Spielberg and Lucas? Although a comedy they put some very valid pints forward.
That was a great episode! And echoes my feeling towards directors 'ruining' movies :thumbsdow

Keith
 

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